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Ariel Sharon may be waking up!

The original story from a year ago about significant brain activity never meant he was waking up.

Nor did it even demonstrate that he was then improving in any way. It was just that they did a bunch of thorough tests that they hadn't done before.
 
I suppose he must be breathing for himself and have an active brain stem or surely they would have turned the machines off by now?
 
weltweit said:
I suppose he must be breathing for himself and have an active brain stem or surely they would have turned the machines off by now?
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That sort of thing is often about the families wishes as much as anything else. Most reports suggest he has been on a ventilator since the stroke. He had his feeding tube replaced last September.
 
elbows said:
That sort of thing is often about the families wishes as much as anything else. Most reports suggest he has been on a ventilator since the stroke. He had his feeding tube replaced last September.
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ime in the UK if the brain stem is dead they switch off the machines.. at least we were not given much choice in the case of my mum.
 
weltweit said:
ime in the UK if the brain stem is dead they switch off the machines.. at least we were not given much choice in the case of my mum.
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Apparently the UK is one of the few countries that has the concept of brain stem death built into their procedures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_stem_death

More broadly than this aspect, prominence and wealth are going to be factors sometimes. As is the level of hope doctors choose to express to relatives, how much hope (or faith in doctors, refusal to come to terms with the most likely reality etc) one or more relatives may have.

Having a choice of heather to give up or not can be rather grim, especially if different family members have different opinions. And once a choice is made, e.g. to have a feeding tube inserted, a very long journey of suspended grief may result, sometimes with few opportunities to change the decision later.
 
elbows said:
Apparently the UK is one of the few countries that has the concept of brain stem death built into their procedures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_stem_death

More broadly than this aspect, prominence and wealth are going to be factors sometimes. As is the level of hope doctors choose to express to relatives, how much hope (or faith in doctors, refusal to come to terms with the most likely reality etc) one or more relatives may have.

Having a choice of heather to give up or not can be rather grim, especially if different family members have different opinions. And once a choice is made, e.g. to have a feeding tube inserted, a very long journey of suspended grief may result, sometimes with few opportunities to change the decision later.
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In the case of my mum, they did their brain stem test and then said it was unlikely she would survive if they turned off the machines (ventilator etc). I knew that being supported by machines was a state that she felt was pretty awful as we had talked about it some time before, while she was still healthy and alive.

The doctors gave her a day and a night, during which I sat with her, talked to her and played her favourite music, and then said they should with our agreement turn off the machines. She did not get better and so the next morning we turned off the machines and she died.
 
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weltweit said:
In the case of my mum, they did their brain stem test and then said it was unlikely she would survive if they turned off the machines (ventilator etc). I knew that being supported by machines was a state that she felt was pretty awful as we had talked about it some time before, while she was still healthy and alive.

The doctors gave her a day and a night, during which I sat with her, talked to her and played her favourite music, and then said they should with our agreement turn off the machines. She did not get better and so the next morning we turned off the machines and she died.
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:(
 
I don't want him to die.

I really can't see the point of it now. Far better than all the money he and his despicable family have accrued via the blood of Palestinian lives has to be frittered away on keeping him in a vegetative state. It was jolly convenient of course just as there was real traction in holding the old murderer to account that he becomes incurably ill to the point of not being able to answer for his crimes... didn't Pinochet get ill too... seems like they might have the same medical team... seriously I hope he lives to be 200 years old, maybe we can force that to happen, then it would leave his family in utter poverty until they have to make the difficult choice turn him off or bankrupt themselves. I hope it comes to bankruptcy.

here's hoping tony b.liar and dubya all fall foul of the same...

in my private fantasy world he's been laid low by the same radiation poisoning he ordered on Arafat
 
The state has been funding his care, at least in recent years. I read about this when doing some research the other day but do not have a link handy.

As for the idea that his stroke was a con, don't be stupid. Its obvious he had a massive stroke, and the timing was not convenient at all given that he was in the early phase of a new political project that had rather large implications for the occupied territories, and was expected to win the election before his stroke derailed the plans.
 
elbows said:
The state has been funding his care, at least in recent years. I read about this when doing some research the other day but do not have a link handy.

As for the idea that his stroke was a con, don't be stupid. Its obvious he had a massive stroke, and the timing was not convenient at all given that he was in the early phase of a new political project that had rather large implications for the occupied territories, and was expected to win the election before his stroke derailed the plans.
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I saw nothing in Kamedia future which would have been anything other than a total annihilation of the west bank and gaza...
 
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