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editor said:
Cheers.

I reckon that trip was one of the places where Palm's Foleo might have come in handy.

Yeah - that I think is what Palm is trying to say. Interestingly, Palm also murmured that this device can be extended to work with other mobiles, such as (brief return to topic) iPhone.

So - Treo or iPhone plus a Foleo and I think that's perfect outdoor solution, also good for extended journies of any kind, as light and relatively cheap (compared to full weight laptop).

Saying that, there's gonna be a new breed of ultraportables soon - flash memory HDs, fast, blah-blah, but these won't really be perfect for glastonburger journos until flash memory prices fall, or so I fear.
 
rocketman said:
So - Treo or iPhone plus a Foleo and I think that's perfect outdoor solution, also good for extended journies of any kind, as light and relatively cheap (compared to full weight laptop).
(apols for off topic excursion)

I'd be worried about taking a full laptop to somewhere like Glasto because it would be full of my personal stuff, so the Foleo looks to be a great companion to the Treo (or indeed, iPhone).

I guess it depends on how much third party support materialises, but I can now definitely see the point of a simple, fast, light laptop-like device with a great battery life and true instant on.
 
editor said:
(apols for off topic excursion)

I'd be worried about taking a full laptop to somewhere like Glasto because it would be full of my personal stuff, so the Foleo looks to be a great companion to the Treo (or indeed, iPhone).

I guess it depends on how much third party support materialises, but I can now definitely see the point of a simple, fast, light laptop-like device with a great battery life and true instant on.

Yeah. We took an old (five years I think) one along, but it was useless - the battery had lost charge and it was so sloooooow. Considering hunting down a relatively younger spare for these situations, as we're 'doing' lots of these events this summer.

Writing with a Treo seems possible, but it's tools for photo editing in the field we really need.
 
I've just equipped my trusty mobilpro with a wireless card, but getting the driver on there without a windows computer to sync with is proving... interesting :)
will report.
 
From the Beeb:
The handset has also been criticised because it does not use the 3G network, does not support instant messaging or voice-activated dialling and does not let people choose ringtones beyond the 25 pre-installed on it.

I won't be buying one. I think I'll wait until they address the above first.
I presume the lack of ringtones is just to establish the brand the same way Nokia did with their recognisable ring tone. Then later there will be loads (at cost) off iTunes (only) or something.
 
Marius said:
I presume the lack of ringtones is just to establish the brand the same way Nokia did with their recognisable ring tone. Then later there will be loads (at cost) off iTunes (only) or something.

Yeah I think the European iPhone will have 3G, as Edge isn't as widely deployed here, also JObs has touched upon it. Word is that a ringtone service will arrive in iTunes, you'll be able to select any 30-second sample from any iTunes song, and yes, it'll cost you 79p,
 
from some digging around in the itunes resource folder, it looks like "turn any track into a ringtone" is coming soon. Instant messaging in this case means MSN or AOL style chat, not SMS. And does anyone ever actually use voice dialling?
 
rocketman said:
you'll be able to select any 30-second sample from any iTunes song, and yes, it'll cost you 79p,
Surely only if you have to buy the track off itunes store first. home-ripped should be free.
 
Crispy said:
from some digging around in the itunes resource folder, it looks like "turn any track into a ringtone" is coming soon. Instant messaging in this case means MSN or AOL style chat, not SMS. And does anyone ever actually use voice dialling?

Apple are idiots, why can't they just allow you to use any mp3 on your phone as a ring tone as other phones do? :confused:

Regarding voice dialing, very good point. I've never used it and only ever known one person to, and even then only rarely...not sure why it's such a selling point tbh.
 
If the page Toms hardware is to be believed the 1st generation Iphone is the biggest most expensive bit of crap this decade (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/2007/06/29/learning_to_deal_downsides_of_3000usd_iphone/)

The total cost of the handset is a joke for what it is. $2000-$3000 for a handset is WAY TOO MUCH! The its getting sold is with a $500 charge for the phone and then some stupid monthly tariff to recoup the other $2000. And that will be before the phone networks even see a profit!

it seems to be a 'beta' device, Apple seem to be planning on releasing the first generation of it with a load of features missing:
For instance, we already know the generation one phone doesn’t support Flash, doesn’t play games, won’t convert songs to ringtones, doesn’t support instant messaging, has limited email support, and won’t let you connect directly to Apple’s iTunes Music Store (you have to go through a PC) - all of which are likely desired by many of the potential users. And the promised YouTube coverage is apparently not as good as advertised either right now.

The appaling battrey life, I know these devices suck up a sheadload of power but less than a nights battrey life just isnt pratical! Also the fact its only has an estimated 300 charge cycle life is just plain discusting!

Put it like this I'd rather have a windows mobile or even a symbian device than an 1st gen Iphone..............
 
Kid_Eternity said:
Apple are idiots, why can't they just allow you to use any mp3 on your phone as a ring tone as other phones do? :confused:
beacuse mp3s are what the pirates use! They'd much rather we use a proprietary format that will only realy work well with there software and devices.

Keeps you in there pocket if you get me drift
copy and paste from wiki:
One of the contentious issues surrounding the use of proprietary formats is that of ownership. If the information is stored in a way which the user's software provider tries to keep secret, the user may own the information, but have no way to retrieve it except by using their software. If the user can't retrieve it but the software manufacturer can - they have practical control of the user's information. The fact that the user depends on a piece of software to retrieve the information stored in his/her proprietary format files gives almost guaranteed sales for future releases of that software, and is the basis for the vendor lock-in concept.
 
AAC is an open format that anyone can use, just like MP3. There are several portable players that will play AAC and winamp, media player etc. can all play them. It's technically superior to MP3 as well.

Not that I use it, as MP3 is more widely supported.
 
Crispy said:
from some digging around in the itunes resource folder, it looks like "turn any track into a ringtone" is coming soon. Instant messaging in this case means MSN or AOL style chat, not SMS. And does anyone ever actually use voice dialling?

This phone sounds rubbish. Not G3. You can already use any track as a ringtone if your phone can play MP3's. And voice dialing. I use it all the time.
 
Not according to tech corrospondent on the radio the other day. Haven't read up on it though, so may be wrong.
 
I think we're going to find out on Monday, if "Internet Rumours" are to be believed.
 
I can see these things getting really filthy really quickly. It's all well and good on the adverts with the perfectly manicured fingers floating across the screen selecting stuff, but in real life I can't help but wonder how many seconds it'll take before the lovely shiny screen is a smeared mess of streaky fingerprints...
 
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The innards... battery welded to board apparently :eek:
 
well, I bought one, it's cute. I posted from the shop, now I'm about to set up my account.

The browser is good. I could never have posted from my ancient Treo 600. The touch screen is very, very good, at least as good as the Treo. The Guardian website looked good too. the hotlinks all worked and the keypad popped up everytime I needed to enter text.

As far as getting dirty, it is very smooth so a quick wipe is all it needs (the Treo screen is difficuly to clean in the corners and is now pock marked from stylus use). I did buy a case, but you need to do that for just about any phone except the flips.

I have never chatted with the phone anyway, so no loss there.

This will be interesting. I suspect I only used a small part of my Treo's capability so I probably wouldn't even notice the lack of capability the editor's worried about, I just want email, web and to make calls now and again.

we will see about battery life. That's what has killed my 3 1/2 year old Treo, I suspect I won't get that long, rather like my first iPod.

Anyway, I will have a plan and report back
 
pseudonarcissus said:
well, I bought one, it's cute. I posted from the shop, now I'm about to set up my account.

Good to actually here from someone who's actually bought one...! :D
 
WWWeed said:
it seems to be a 'beta' device, Apple seem to be planning on releasing the first generation of it with a load of features missing:

Since when did a mobile phone have to do that laundry list of things to be a mobile phone...? :confused: And do you know a beta is, or are going to have that discussion again...?

TomsHardware said:
The reason a generation 2 or 3 product is generally better than a generation one is you can cost reduce future generations based on technical and manufacturing scale advantages, and you can factor in actual customer feedback.

No...? Really...?
 
43mhz said:
The innards... battery welded to board apparently :eek:

So you can't carry a spare for when you've run the battery down doing everything but make a call.

Not clever.

I have enough trouble keeping enough charge for calls on my phone now and I only use it for txts. For something like an iPhone I'd want the same set up i have now with my PsP i.e. a spare battery that I can easily swap over.
 
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