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The true test of the iPhone's OS comes when it starts running a proper range of software apps. It's not that hard to be reliable and solid when you're only running a limited amount of in-house apps (WM excepted of course :) ).
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WM is running very stable on my tytn ii. Shame the interface is a bit pants, cos it has such potential. Apparently half the problems on it are because HTC haven't bothered getting a driver for the 2d acceleration hardware built-in to the CPU.
 
Xanadu said:
WM is running very stable on my tytn ii. Shame the interface is a bit pants, cos it has such potential. Apparently half the problems on it are because HTC haven't bothered getting a driver for the 2d acceleration hardware built-in to the CPU.
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The WM5/6 interface really is awful. It's like a weird variant of Windows 95 with the odd Vista reflective bar shoved on.

The HTC Touch phone was a massive disappointment - I couldn't wait to get rid of the thing.

The Palm/Vodafone-tweaked interface on the Treo 500v was a *lot* better - it was really quite impressive for most everyday functions and only occasionally dumped me into the grim depths of the standard Windows Mobile interface.
 
I don't actually think the idea of WM is for it to be the main front end. I think Microsoft intend you to write the front end. Its actually quite an impressive OS because its nearly has the full feature set of NT.

They give you the UI for completeness, but I believe the idea is that the developers write their own using all the Windows dev tools that Microsoft provide and they are very very good indeed. Unfortunately, developers of these devices don't seem to have taken that on board.
 
Some of the guys making custom roms for the htc tytn ii appear to be doing a decent job. I'm going to give one of them a go soon.
 
Does anyone know where the 100,000 figure came from? Some web sites say that this was O2's expectation, others say it was "analysts", others actually use it as a number for what was sold. The Register says it was "quoted in broadsheet and tabloid alike".

I've searched google news but it seems like everyone is copying and pasting each other's stories.

Editor: any links? I found the daily mirror one (no byline, no source) and the one by Charles Rae in the Sun.

Beyond the red tops though I'm drawing a blank.
 
paolo999 said:
Does anyone know where the 100,000 figure came from? Some web sites say that this was O2's expectation, others say it was "analysts", others actually use it as a number for what was sold. The Register says it was "quoted in broadsheet and tabloid alike".

I've searched google news but it seems like everyone is copying and pasting each other's stories.

Editor: any links? I found the daily mirror one (no byline, no source) and the one by Charles Rae in the Sun..
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According to the Telegraph, it was O2 who came up with the figure:
Apple needs more than cutting–edge design to penetrate this market and will have to work much harder in the UK than it did in the US to make iPhone a mass-market proposition...

Early sales figures seem to bear that out, according to technology website The Register. It quotes "reliable channel sources" as saying that O2 has activated just 26,500 handsets since the iPhone went on sale on November 9.

The telecomms company had earlier stated that it anticipated selling around 100,000 devices over the first weekend.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml?xml=/connected/2007/11/23/dliphone23.xml
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editor said:
The true test of the iPhone's OS comes when it starts running a proper range of software apps. It's not that hard to be reliable and solid when you're only running a limited amount of in-house apps (WM excepted of course :) ).
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Yes... This is going to be the difficult bit for Apple. I can see why they defaulted for everything to run as root. While developing this is easier. Hopefully they switch to using applications in user-space as this will make it more secure and the potential for viruses will be greatly decreased. (It will be interesting having a mass-market Unix-based phone...)

I'm also looking forward to the Google's Android initative... Competition, as always, is good for markets.
 
editor said:
According to the Telegraph, it was O2 who came up with the figure:
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There's only one problem here. That story was posted after the Register's story.

So I still can't find the broadsheet articles that the register refers to. In one story, they say the Guardian published the 100000 number. But I've searched there and it doesn't show.

I'm beginning to think that this all came from the Sun. All other leads have gone cold.
 
rocketman said:
And here it is again, the same old arguments trotted out on the iPhone thread. Perhaps we should start a 'like iPhone' and a 'hate iPhone' thread, which you could populate with your one-sided selective cadaver of an argument,
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same_old != invalid

TBH, as I've said before, I'm looking forward to further implementations of the OSX phone platform, the iPhone has given us a bundle of cool and useful technologies in a platform that (IMHO) is severely restircted and overpriced. Ed and myself are aware that the iPhone has potential but has suffered initially from overhype and rush-to-market.

I can understand the iPod target market angle to an extent, but remember that the iPod came out when portable MP3 players were still something of an emerging market, and made a previously primarily geek-only toy accessible and usable for the masses. However, smartphones have already been established for years in a numnber of different phone families so IMHO the barriers to entry are higher because there's more competition not just in terms of features and usability but of network availability and all the other jazz that the iPhone has been criticised for.

If I could get a handset for ~£300 and chuck whatever SIM in it I wanted, with the promise of proper third party apps down the line, I'd seriously consider it. But being locked into a contract or being faced with a bricked phone aren't very carrot, are they?
 
paolo999 said:
I'm beginning to think that this all came from the Sun. All other leads have gone cold.
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I'm not sure why you're so bothered by this, but the figure has been broadly attributed to O2's chief executive, Matthew Key:
Meanwhile reports are currently circulating that claim just 26,500 iPhone activations have taken place in the UK since the device launched - far below the anticipated hundreds of thousands of sales predicted by O2 chief executive, Matthew Key.
http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipod-itunes/news/index.cfm?newsid=19785
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The fact they O2 employed an additional 1,427 members of staff to deal with sales and support for the device would suggest that vast sales figures were anticipated.
 
stdPikachu said:
TBH, as I've said before, I'm looking forward to further implementations of the OSX phone platform, the iPhone has given us a bundle of cool and useful technologies in a platform that (IMHO) is severely restircted and overpriced. Ed and myself are aware that the iPhone has potential but has suffered initially from overhype and rush-to-market.
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Spot on.
 
Well, it looks like three in five Carphone Warehouse stores actively lied to force iPhone buyers to take out insurance. Naturally, its the staff who suffer - desperate to top up their meagre salaries with commission, so the company itself looks blameless, but clearly isn't.
 
rocketman said:
Well, it looks like three in five Carphone Warehouse stores actively lied to force iPhone buyers to take out insurance. Naturally, its the staff who suffer - desperate to top up their meagre salaries with commission, so the company itself looks blameless, but clearly isn't.
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I got stung by this. Watchdog are covering it tonight. Hopefully this will force Carphone Warehouse to promise some kind of reparation or allow us to cancel. If so i will.
 
Apple's lawyers are off again. I can't see them holding off the mighty Nokia for long, but it would be a real bummer if competing products were delayed over this is, leaving the consumers with less choice.
Nokia and Apple to clash over touchscreen cellphone patents?

Well, according to Richard Windsor, an analyst with London-based Nomura, Nokia could see "delays or holdups" in its smartphone strategy if Apple decides to unleash its army of lawyers in defense of its over 200 iPhone-related patent filings. (Note: that's "filings" not patents granted for intellectual property.) According to Mr. Windsor, "I think Apple will likely view Nokia as infringing on its user interface patents." Having said that, he further speculates that Apple and Nokia will likely end up in a settlement by 2009 in order to avoid a lengthy Qualcomm vs. Nokia battle in the courts.

Of course, in a system whereby laggards and leaders attempt to gain or maintain competitive advantage through lawsuits and lobbyists rather than the innovations of their own engineers, anything goes.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/28/nokia-and-apple-to-clash-over-touchscreen-cellphone-patents/
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Looks like unlocked price will be €749 (£566.11) in France... (Base price of €649 + €100 to unlock)
http://www.france24.com/france24Pub...ews.html?id=071128104952.2hsnu6so&cat=science

But you might not need an iPhone after-all...

I am happy to inform you, that the Audio Input pins of the iPod Touch are active,
and can be used for connecting any Audio source (like an external Mic, your CD-player, FM radio, etc) for recording. This also opens the doors for VoIP
applications!!
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http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9347
 
editor said:
the figure has been broadly attributed to O2's chief executive, Matthew Key
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Matthew Key did indeed say 200,000+.

Including christmas and 'the new year period'
What I was questioning though was the Register - who haven't attributed the 100,000 to him, but instead to the Sun and the Guardian. I can't find anything in the Guardian though. Perhaps the Guardian has removed the story.
 
paolo999 said:
Matthew Key did indeed say 200,000+.

Including christmas and 'the new year period'
What I was questioning though was the Register - who haven't attributed the 100,000 to him, but instead to the Sun and the Guardian. I can't find anything in the Guardian though. Perhaps the Guardian has removed the story.
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Does it matter the precise number...? Apple have sold lots of phones, perhaps not as many as they would've liked, but they've now got a presence in the UK mobile phone market. Can we discuss something more interesting now...? :confused:
 
paolo999 said:
Matthew Key did indeed say 200,000+.

Including christmas and 'the new year period'
What I was questioning though was the Register - who haven't attributed the 100,000 to him, but instead to the Sun and the Guardian.
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But surely the 1,000+ extra staff employed to deal with the expected 'rush' on launch day backs up the story of his lofty expectations? Can't see why you're so interested to be honest. What's your point?
 
and in other news... :)

France ships tonight. €749 unlocked.

(wonder why they are €250 less than Germay? I'd assumed the €999 was Apple's doing, but this suggests it was T-Mobile)
 
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