Apple iPhone

[editor]

Yep, but the ui is a clunky as all the other ones...!

That's true. I had a go on my friend's Pearl and the interface was horrible.

 

[ChrisFilter]

Regardless, Apple are aiming for the usual Apple market, which isn't the Windows Mobile market at all.

 

[tarannau]

What the hell is the usual Apple market these days. Isn't the ipod mass market enough to take it out of any particular geek or creative segment?

 

[rocketman]

What the hell is the usual Apple market these days. Isn't the ipod mass market enough to take it out of any particular geek or creative segment?

It's people who care little enough about technology that they just want their technology to work, but care enough about it to know what is possible.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

It's people who care little enough about technology that they just want their technology to work, but care enough about it to know what is possible.

Yup, normal people.

 

[rocketman]

Yup, normal people.

Involved in doing other also amazing things, from bringing up children to saving lives to creating music, art and culture to make you smile. Or just staying in, maybe playing Urban or something. This is what normal people do - everything else that special people are not heavily involved in.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Involved in doing other also amazing things, from bringing up children to saving lives to creating music, art and culture to make you smile. Or just staying in, maybe playing Urban or something. This is what normal people do - everything else that special people are not heavily involved in.

Yup, normal people are

 

[Structaural]

They are piss takers, Apple:

iphone_batteries_will_cost_$85.95_to_replace.html

 

[editor]

Involved in doing other also amazing things, from bringing up children to saving lives to creating music, art and culture to make you smile.

 

[editor]

They are piss takers, Apple:

iphone_batteries_will_cost_$85.95_to_replace.html

Eeek!

If the iPhone goes wrong outside its warranty, Apple will charge $199 to repair a 4GB iPhone and $249 for an 8GB movel.

Thankfully, I'd imagine that a third party industry will quickly emerge to undercut Apple's inflated prices for repair and battery replacement. I find the idea of having to send my phone off for days just to get the battery changed pretty weird, to be honest.

 

[Gromit]

Eeek!
Thankfully, I'd imagine that a third party industry will quickly emerge to undercut Apple's inflated prices for repair and battery replacement. I find the idea of having to send my phone off for days just to get the battery changed pretty weird, to be honest.

Somebody mentioned before that the batteries were welded in place and we couldn't work out why.
Now we know why. So that they can sting the consumer for changing them.

Reminds me of Packard Hell and their previous practice of engineering it so that you could only upgrade by buying their components. They'd programmed the bios to refuse 3rd party hardware. Anything to maximise the aftersales buck.

Glad I'm not buying one.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I've not yet heard one thing about the iphone that makes me think it's anything other than an overpriced, marketing led, heap of shit.

My Vario II still craps on everything else I've ever used.

 

[Dask]

My Vario II still craps on everything else I've ever used.

Except that it runs Windoze mobile which is the worst phone OS in the history of mobiles.

 

[jæd]

Somebody mentioned before that the batteries were welded in place and we couldn't work out why.
Now we know why. So that they can sting the consumer for changing them.

Or perhaps it was just easier to manufacter...? But I'm guessing it won't be in the iPhone 1.01...

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Except that it runs Windoze mobile which is the worst phone OS in the history of mobiles.

Depending on your experience...

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Except that it runs Windoze mobile which is the worst phone OS in the history of mobiles.

I still don't see why people hate it so much, other than standard anti-microsoft ranting.

I find it easy to use, nice and logical, and it's never crashed.

 

[Dask]

You must be in the minority.

My Window Phone used to crash if the other person hung up before you.

 

[editor]

I still don't see why people hate it so much, other than standard anti-microsoft ranting.

I guess it depends on what you want it to do, your user expectations and how lucky you are with your particular model.

Migrating from the Palm, I couldn't believe how fucking fiddly everything was on the Windows phone - the stylus was out of the silo every other minute to do even the simplest of tasks. And it was way wobbly.

And seeing as I was given the latest whizz bang HTC Touch phone (*note to self: must get eBaying soon), I've had chance to try the cutting edge version of Windows and can see already that the iPhone pisses all over it for usability and user-friendliness.

But not price, natch.

 

[jæd]

I still don't see why people hate it so much, other than standard anti-microsoft ranting.

Windows Mobile meant I waited at Canary Wharf for 45 mins once in a freezing winter gale because it crashed repeatedly and took something like 15 mins to reboot a phone. I only met my friend because when I was walking back to the tube station I bumped into him.

So I might not be very gushing about it...!

 

[jæd]

y.
And seeing as I was given the latest whizz bang HTC Touch phone (*note to self: must get eBaying soon), I've had chance to try the cutting edge version of Windows and can see already that the iPhone pisses all over it for usability and user-friendliness.

Was it WM 6...? Is it any good...?

 

[editor]

Was it WM 6...? Is it any good...?

Yes. Their half arsed attempt to rip off Apple (or whoever it was who originally came up with the idea) with the gesture-based screen navigation runs rapidly out of steam after a few screens and then you're back to the stylus-tastic itty-bitty WM2006 interface.

The phone feels absolutely lovely in the hand though, the camera's alright but the lack of a keyboard means it's a pain to use.

Some bloke's done a comprehensive 3-part review here:
http://digital-lifestyles.info/2007/06/22/htc-touch-phone-review/
http://digital-lifestyles.info/2007/06/25/htc-touch-phone-review-part-23/
http://digital-lifestyles.info/2007/06/26/htc-touch-phone-review-part-33-62/

 

[jæd]

Yes. Their half arsed attempt to rip off Apple (or whoever it was who originally came up with the idea) with the gesture-based screen navigation runs rapidly out of steam after a few screens and then you're back to the stylus-tastic itty-bitty WM2006 interface.

Hmmm... Was more after a review Windows Mobile 6... A friend has a PocketPC and is raving about it... (Windows Mobile 6).

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Migrating from the Palm, I couldn't believe how fucking fiddly everything was on the Windows phone - the stylus was out of the silo every other minute to do even the simplest of tasks.

My Vario II has a click/scroll whell, which means you can whizz about and almost never have to use the stylus. Couple that with a full qwerty keyboard and its a winner in my book

Maybe I've been lucky, I dunno, but my windows desktop machine has never once crashed either.

 

[editor]

Hmmm... Was more after a review Windows Mobile 6... A friend has a PocketPC and is raving about it... (Windows Mobile 6).

There's not a great deal of difference between WM5, to be honest.

 

[editor]

My Vario II has a click/scroll whell, which means you can whizz about and almost never have to use the stylus. Couple that with a full qwerty keyboard and its a winner in my book

If you like slidy-out keyboards that need two hands to operate them, of course.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

If you like slidy-out keyboards that need two hands to operate them, of course.

True, but for fast typing I'd want to use two thumbs anyway, I can input stuff at a surprisingly high rate now, the keyboard has quite a nice feel to it.

Horses for courses, innit?

 

[tarannau]

Somebody mentioned before that the batteries were welded in place and we couldn't work out why.
Now we know why. So that they can sting the consumer for changing them.

What a load of emotive, unsupported bollocks. Or maybe, just maybe, they've fitted in the biggest battery possible in a small space, along with an impressive feat of miniturisation fitting all the components into such a small space. If you look at pics of the iphone opened up you'll soon see there isn't a huge amount of space to play with.

Besides, it's nonsense to suggest that other companies won't spring up to offer iphone battery replacement services at lower cost or self-install kits, just as they have with the ipod. Some won't offer the luxury or slickness of Apple's expensive repair programme (where a box is sent to you first, the whole package picked up by courier, then further returned by another courier) but I very much doubt that it's the evil conspiracy some are alleging.

 

[rocketman]

Ach, it is the Cult of the Anti-Mac, is all. Doesn't matter. Diversity of platforms, devices and operating systems is the only way to protect against malware and so on. Anything that chips at the Microsoft hegemony should be welcomed. But this has had the effect of turning some Windows users into something that's very similar to the cliched, frequently trotted-out notion of the rabid Apple fan-boy.
History repeats itself, but it's not always exactly the same.
I blame that timey-wimey nonsense.
Peace.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

gah misread...

 

[Kid_Eternity]

If you like slidy-out keyboards that need two hands to operate them, of course.

I've never understood why this is such a low point. I've never needed to be able to send an email/text one handed while on a bike etc!