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rocketman said:
Yeah - the prevalence of the weird exchange rates practised by the tech world, in which one dollar is worth one pound, seemingly, is always a real world challenge to us over here. I'd be less keen on a £599 phone,
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You and the rest of us!
 
Kid_Eternity said:
You and the rest of us!
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I see your point - but help me a little here - I have the distinct impression that with Apple products the UK always ends up being the most expensive in Europe - not to say that we aren't all being ripped-off here - just look at the cost of Adobe CS 3!
 
Here's another Treo vs iPhone comparison. It does a fairly good job of comparing the strengths and weaknesses of the two phones in some areas, but as it's a Palm fanboy site it's no surprise that the title of the conclusion reads: "Biased Treo Fan Declares Superiority Shock!!".
http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9491/palm-treo-vs-the-iphone-10-rounds/

In fairness, on the criteria he's chosen it is a closely run thing, but if an Apple fan was to do something similar and create categories like Style, Pocketability and Swish interface, the iPhone would have romped home.

*Actually, I've just noticed that the guy hasn't even got an iPhone, so you can safely ignore most of the above!
 
rocketman said:
I see your point - but help me a little here - I have the distinct impression that with Apple products the UK always ends up being the most expensive in Europe - not to say that we aren't all being ripped-off here - just look at the cost of Adobe CS 3!
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Very true that's why I'm a little cynical we'll see it for anything less than £500 (likewise for that over priced 'dumb laptop' the Foleo). Historically games consoles have always used the shitty pound for dollar conversion too...

That said we've been oddly lucky with mobile phones and tariffs compared to the US (better coverage, cheaper phones due to subsidy, no stupid things like being charged for people calling you etc) so hopefully UK networks might be able to leverage a bit more from Apple citing market realities in terms of getting the price down?
 
Structaural said:
iPhone doesn't have MMS according to that article. Lame.
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That's not big deal imo, in the three years I've had a camera phone I've not sent more than about 15 picture texts. Besides with unlimited data it'd be cheaper to email your pix than text (you can see how a bunch of mates having iPhones, Treos, Blackberries and unlimited data will slow down on paying for texting too)...
 
editor said:
Here's another Treo vs iPhone comparison. It does a fairly good job of comparing the strengths and weaknesses of the two phones in some areas, but as it's a Palm fanboy site it's no surprise that the title of the conclusion reads: "Biased Treo Fan Declares Superiority Shock!!".
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Its also a bit flawed as he says:

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Phone's email is visually impressive, and has features like in-line photos that leave Versamail in the dust. It's also compatible with POP3, IMAP and Yahoo push email, so consumers – the main target market – will find most of their bases covered.
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But then...

Review said:
Plus, for the business user, it's hard to go past a Treo, which can be configured to do any kind of email you want.
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But this but includes a link to 3rd party solutions to get "push" email (like a Blackberry) on a Treo... What, a newly released phone doesn't support a competing products protocol. No shit...!
 
Palm Fanboy said:
But that's all hypothetical. In the here and now, the Treo is still the best smartphone available: user-friendly, fully featured, expandable and as versatile as you want it to be. It may crash occasionally. It's not pretty. It's not going to stop people in the street. But it's still the more useful and productive device with better value for money. And that's what really counts.
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Yawn. Another reviewer doesn't realise a mass-market consumer-smartphone phone isn't a fully-fledged smartphone for spods. What is it with this year...? Does every new product have to be misinterpreted...? :rolleyes:

Here's a hint geeks. Not everything in the world is aimed at you...!
 
jæd said:
But this but includes a link to 3rd party solutions to get "push" email (like a Blackberry) on a Treo... What, a newly released phone doesn't support a competing products protocol. No shit...!
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True, but the email solutions available on the (far cheaper and much older) Palm currently substantially outgun the iPhone. I think that's worth noting. Indeed, Engadget made a big point of citing their disappointment with the iPhone in this area.

None of this takes away from the strengths and achievements of the phone in other areas though.
 
This is also quite interesting, I think - sure it's fanboy territory, but this guy's got it sussed kind of, in a join the dots kind of way. Think of the iPhone as a thin client computer with OS X integration, add a touch of Leopard's Back to My Mac, and you have something quite interesting here. (If you really want to go to town, you could consider the web version of Photoshop that Adobe's been working on recently). Please don't forget I'm a prize fantasist.
Anyway, the link
http://iphonehints.com/story/commen...pples-roadmap-general-purpose-computer-known-
 
Lot of talk for a Phone you can't actually buy for the UK right now. I can't use it as it doesn't support 3G and I have a 3G SIM.

I think that for the US market it might do OK, but Europe is much more mobile savvy and will reject things based upon price. Unless an operator lists it, you will never see this phone in the country unless you want to buy a US one.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
That's not big deal imo, in the three years I've had a camera phone I've not sent more than about 15 picture texts. Besides with unlimited data it'd be cheaper to email your pix than text (you can see how a bunch of mates having iPhones, Treos, Blackberries and unlimited data will slow down on paying for texting too)...
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Is that unlimited data through wifi or always? Not a bad deal if it's over the phone line.

I send a photo twice a week I'd say.
 
rocketman said:
This is also quite interesting, I think - sure it's fanboy territory, but this guy's got it sussed kind of, in a join the dots kind of way. Think of the iPhone as a thin client computer with OS X integration, add a touch of Leopard's Back to My Mac, and you have something quite interesting here. (If you really want to go to town, you could consider the web version of Photoshop that Adobe's been working on recently). Please don't forget I'm a prize fantasist.
Anyway, the link
http://iphonehints.com/story/commen...pples-roadmap-general-purpose-computer-known-
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No playing of VBR mp3s either. I'll wait for the 3rd generation version that's given away free with my contract I think. Pay up front for a phone? Pah.
 
Structaural said:
Is that unlimited data through wifi or always? Not a bad deal if it's over the phone line.

I send a photo twice a week I'd say.
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Unlimited data for emailing and surfing over the phone as far as I can tell.
 
Sunray said:
Lot of talk for a Phone you can't actually buy for the UK right now.
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Not really that surprising really, we've talked about films on here a year in advance of their release, probably more for games consoles etc so why should the iPhone be any different?
 
Kid_Eternity said:
Not really that surprising really, we've talked about films on here a year in advance of their release, probably more for games consoles etc so why should the iPhone be any different?
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Come on: the amount of pre-release hyperbole for the iPhone outshines anything comparable by a colossal margin.
 
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Come on: the amount of pre-release hyperbole for the iPhone outshines anything comparable by a colossal margin.
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*waggles hand*

I reckon the wii and the ps3 generated similar levels of froth
 
Variable Bit Rate - makes more efficient use of space by only using high quality compression when it's needed.
 
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Come on: the amount of pre-release hyperbole for the iPhone outshines anything comparable by a colossal margin.
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And? All I was saying was that we've talked about plenty of things on here long before we've been able to buy them in our shops.
 
Crispy said:
Variable Bit Rate - makes more efficient use of space by only using high quality compression when it's needed.
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*still a bit ignorant

What do you use to convert the VBR MP3s?
And do they play on ordinary CD players?
 
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