Apple iPhone

[Crispy]

fingers crossed. but the signs are not good, last time I read about Palm.

 

[rocketman]

Well, I'm still very happy with the Palm OS, but if there's no new high end phones on the horizon, I can't see me buying another old phone.

Windows Mobile was *horrible" so that only leaves Apple, although I'm not going to sign a 2 year deal with anyone for any phone, neither am I prepared to pay more than £250 for an unlocked new phone.

I guess that might be a stumbling point, but I'm still hopeful that Palm will come up with the goods.

They might, now that have Tevanian on the board. Either that or get acquired, by Apple. There's a long time connection between Palm and Apple.

PS: Reference to Treo website previously: If you read a review of a non-Treo product on a Treo website you'd expect the review to have a different slant than, say, if it was a Treo product on the same site.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I think that's good avice for *any* device...

Aint that the truth. I've never been an early adopter, don't see the point.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

*sarky incredulity*

 

[Kid_Eternity]

although I'm not going to sign a 2 year deal with anyone for any phone

You keep saying, where in the UK does these 2 year contracts??

 

[editor]

After filling up every conceivable page with endless fluff iPhone articles, Engadget have posted up their review and it makes for an interesting read.

But getting things done with the iPhone isn't easy, and anyone looking for a productivity device will probably need to look on. Its browser falls pretty short of the "internet in your pocket" claims Apple's made, and even though it's still easily the most advanced mobile browser on the market, its constant crashing doesn't exactly seal the deal. The iPhone's Mail app -- from its myriad missing features to its un-integrated POP mail experience to its obsolete method of accessing your Gmail -- makes email on the iPhone a huge chore at best....

But is the iPhone worth the two year contract with the oft-maligned AT&T and its steep price of admission? Hopefully we gave you enough information about the iPhone's every detail to make an informed decision -- despite the iPhone's many shortcomings, we suspect the answer for countless consumers will be a resounding yes.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/03/iphone-review/

 

[Bob_the_lost]

You keep saying, where in the UK does these 2 year contracts??

Not yet, but there's a load of 18 month contracts already. There is nothing to say they won't go to 24 months for the iPhone. Which is the single largest reason i won't be getting one.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Not yet, but there's a load of 18 month contracts already. There is nothing to say they won't go to 24 months for the iPhone. Which is the single largest reason i won't be getting one.

I'll believe it when I see. Regarding the price, the market over here works a bit differently, we're too used to subsidy and cheaper phones...

 

[editor]

Back to the Engadget iPhone review: "The Mail client is so awful it actually makes us wish Apple made a Foleo for the iPhone"

Maybe Palm knows something we don't?!

 

[Crispy]

CD32, CDO etc. discussion moved to new thread.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=213342

 

[Kid_Eternity]

But it was still ahead of everyone else.

May I suggest we start a new thread if we wish to go on about Ye Olde Consoles?

By a few months, and it wasn't all that. Back to your point comparing it to the Foleo (odd comparison to my mind) there wasn't anything to 'get'. It was just a cobbled together attempt to stay relevant in a console war they had no chance of winning (infact they'd already lost it by then).

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I must admit I'm starting to think the iPhone will have a dramatic longterm impact on smartphones.

Did you read about the rumours the next Macbooks having multi touch? If true it looks like the iPhone is the beginning of something quite interesting...

 

[Kid_Eternity]

CD32, CDO etc. discussion moved to new thread.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=213342

A confusing few seconds that...

 

[Crispy]

A confusing few seconds that...

Too right! Won't try that again in a hurry

 

[jæd]

Back to the Engadget iPhone review: "The Mail client is so awful it actually makes us wish Apple made a Foleo for the iPhone"

Maybe Palm knows something we don't?!

Interesting review, but I don't really trust it much since they say "Historically, we haven't been huge fans of the iPod. We've found its interface generally simple, but irritating to navigate".

Comes across as very negative about what seem to be minor points. I know one or two friends who are planning to get one so I'll play with their phones first before making up my mind...

 

[Kid_Eternity]

iPhone only costs £110 to make?

 

[editor]

Comes across as very negative about what seem to be minor points. I know one or two friends who are planning to get one so I'll play with their phones first before making up my mind...

There looks to be loads of great points to the iPhone and no shortage of delightful eye candy and fantastic usability, but the SMS/email handling does look pretty much total pants compared to the Treo, if that report is accurate.

 

[editor]

iPhone only costs £110 to make?

Only if you factor out all the R&D, construction and transporting costs which strikes me as rather daft.

 

[WWWeed]

yup I would imagine it's just the physical value of the components, which as you say is rather silly.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

In itself it is, but if you track the story back to here then it's more interesting. Namely that apple generally had a 50% gross margin in previous devices. Then again they had something like a 58% gross margin (ithink) for the recent gen nanos and that puts the iPhone in the same ballpark...

 

[Structaural]

It's a fetish techno device - you're paying for that and the brand too. Look at the markup on trainers.

AT&T stores would take the biggest cut of the profit anyway.

 

[pseudonarcissus]

Back to the Engadget iPhone review: "The Mail client is so awful it actually makes us wish Apple made a Foleo for the iPhone"

Maybe Palm knows something we don't?!

I read the review. I guess I'm a light emailer, as defined there.

So far I like the email. It integrates attachments much better than my Treo and doesn't truncate messages, and I think I can forward mail with it's attachments. I can open .pdf, pictures and word documents very easily (without having to pay for documents-to-go).

It is slow, though, I'm about to put in wifi at home to see if this speeds things up. I've not tried deleting stuff and I'll reserve comment on the synching. One thing that is annoying me is that it defaults to loading the last 50 emails. If I delete a few it fills with emails at the bottom, which is fine, but it shows these as being unread, so you think you have new mail, but it's actually a few weeks old.

 

[editor]

So far I like the email. It integrates attachments much better than my Treo and doesn't truncate messages, and I think I can forward mail with it's attachments. I can open .pdf, pictures and word documents very easily (without having to pay for documents-to-go)..

FYI, Documents to go comes free with the Treo 650, 680 and all subsequent Palm Treo models and you can both read and edit Word and Excel files, as well as look at PDF and Powerpoint files.

I've also got no problem forwarding attachments with my Treo, although I've been using Chatteremail for ages.

 

[han]

I think you should get a Treo tattoo.

 

[Gromit]

I think you should get a Treo tattoo.

Intriging idea. I've been wondering what to get for my second tat. Maybe the Sinclair Spectrum logo.

 

[chio]

Not yet, but there's a load of 18 month contracts already. There is nothing to say they won't go to 24 months for the iPhone. Which is the single largest reason i won't be getting one.

I'm on an 18-month mobile contract, but the phone was £25 or something silly which makes it a bit different. And when I laboured the point in the shop, they knocked me the £25 off.

 

[Crispy]

This just in;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/03/AR2007070301105.html
Germany to get the iPhone in November at €450. No word on contract length. Voda is rumoured for the UK.

 

[rocketman]

This just in;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/03/AR2007070301105.html
Germany to get the iPhone in November at €450. No word on contract length. Voda is rumoured for the UK.

Deutsche Telecom = T-Mobile. But right now it looks like T-Mobile versus Vodafone.

While I wouldn't be surprised to be surprised, I'd say the character of the negotiations for carrying this device will have changed significantly now Apple's flogged 700,000+ of them in just a few days. As such the stakes just climbed, so I reckon there's no final deal yet.

Price is 450 Euros, so I'd imagine c. £300.

Orange out the running cos they want to put an Orange brand on it - Apple won't go for that.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Deutsche Telecom = T-Mobile. But right now it looks like T-Mobile versus Vodafone.

While I wouldn't be surprised to be surprised, I'd say the character of the negotiations for carrying this device will have changed significantly now Apple's flogged 700,000+ of them in just a few days. As such the stakes just climbed, so I reckon there's no final deal yet.

Price is 450 Euros, so I'd imagine c. £300.

Orange out the running cos they want to put an Orange brand on it - Apple won't go for that.

Hmmm £300? Possible...I guess.

 

[rocketman]

Hmmm £300? Possible...I guess.

Yeah - the prevalence of the weird exchange rates practised by the tech world, in which one dollar is worth one pound, seemingly, is always a real world challenge to us over here. I'd be less keen on a £599 phone,