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editor said:
I trust you'll retain that same nonchalant, shoulder shrugging attitude if any of your work gets pulled under similarly arbitrary circumstances elsewhere.
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Pretty much, as I said in the line you didnt quote. There is a risk reward ratio thats evaluated prior to commencing development. The project stake holders review and decide if its still compelling. If it gets the green light, its done with the understanding that it could very well go tits up.

I'm not saying that I wouldn't be disappointed, but I wouldn't be upset/angry about it. That said I dont usually sign up to projects that have high risk factors, I've got a bank manager to keep happy.
 
If this was anywhere else on the boards, there's no way Urban would dare be seen to be potentially supporting the porn industry. Won't someone think of the sex workers?? :(

:D
 
stupid dogbot said:
If this was anywhere else on the boards, there's no way Urban would dare be seen to be potentially supporting the porn industry. Won't someone think of the sex workers?? :(

:D
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I don't think that is the issue (let's not de-rail a thread like this for that argument), it's just being used as the most public and obvious example.

If Jobs & Co want to (fucking try) to impose this sort of control then what else and where does it end, what are their moral/business/corporate mates boundaries (this week).

No blue apps (unless you're 'on the guest list'), what is next?

If anything, it's the thought of some fucking apple chumps trying to dictate what I access that will make me jailbreak n fuck em at the end of the day. Once I've done that if I'm honest I'll probably install some pirated software and then the developers who weren't so unlucky to end up on an arbitury ban will lose out too.

Bah
 
Cpatain Rbubish said:
Once I've done that if I'm honest I'll probably install some pirated software and then the developers who weren't so unlucky to end up on an arbitury ban will lose out too.
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Well isn't that lovely, getting behind apple in the queue to fuck the developer.
 
grit said:
Well isn't that lovely, getting behind apple in the queue to fuck the developer.
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Ain't saying it's right at all, just pointing out the fact if apple go down this route they will encourage jailbreaking of their phones and when that happens, there is a tempation to install pirate software that you prob wouldn't buy but will install for free once jailbroken.

It also fucks apples cut...

I'm trying to make the point that censorship by apple is counter productive to everyone. After all the iPhone is predominatley web based device and what they are trying to do is against the ethos of the web on which there device is founded. I'm not condoning or encourging peeps to rip off developers, merely pointing out that it will be an outcome of their stance.

I'll give you an example, I don't want my access to apps or content dictated by anyone, if apple want to do this then I'll jailbreak. If I jailbreak my phone then I might install a pirate of tom tom uk, 60 bangers and I'd not buy it but if my phone was jailbroken I might well install for nowt. It ain't right but it's what lots of peeps will end up doing imo.

Just cause and effect :(
 
Cpatain Rbubish said:
Ain't saying it's right at all, just pointing out the fact if apple go down this route they will encourage jailbreaking of their phones and when that happens, there is a tempation to install pirate software that you prob wouldn't buy but will install for free once jailbroken.
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Haha, no. Your now taking the openness debate and using it as a way to justify piracy.
 
grit said:
There is the connection that you need to jailbreak to install pirate applications but thats where it ends.
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I can see it. Lots of apps are low priced, so even if you often pirate software, if its a ball ache to do it and they don't cost much, you're more likely to buy them.

Once you've gone to hassle of jailbreaking then it becomes a lot more tempting to pirate apps.
 
Global_Stoner said:
I can see it. Lots of apps are low priced, so even if you often pirate software, if its a ball ache to do it and they don't cost much, you're more likely to buy them.

Once you've gone to hassle of jailbreaking then it becomes a lot more tempting to pirate apps.
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It damages your credibility if your then going to argue about openness as it makes you a hypocrite.
 
stupid dogbot said:
If this was anywhere else on the boards, there's no way Urban would dare be seen to be potentially supporting the porn industry. Won't someone think of the sex workers?? :(

:D
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It's not just about soft porn (or, more accurately, the glamour industry) or even Pulitzer winning political satirists being arbitrarily hoofed off the AppStore on Jobbo's whim.

To me, it's about the wider debate of corporate moral censorship and unfair advantage given to big business pals.

If that doesn't bother you, fine, but it's an issue worth debating, imo.
 
grit said:
It damages your credibility if your then going to argue about openness as you are proving part of job's point.
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I can see that, but I do think there is an argument that if you tempt people to jailbreak by being over restrictive, then you those same people may end up pirating software who wouldn't have before.
 
Global_Stoner said:
I can see that, but I do think there is an argument that if you tempt people to jailbreak by being over restrictive, then you those same people may end up pirating software who wouldn't have before.
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That defence is self serving and if anything shows that on some levels Job is correct to do what he does.
 
I've nothing more to add really. Just pointing out a simple cause and effect as I see it.

If censorship of any kind (and I'm pretty sure we're not all talking about porn (soft or hard) here) that those who find it both offensive in it's own right and oppressive (really, what's next?) then peeps will jailbreak as a fuck you to the man, and then (if any other pirating trends or current attitudes to software piracy prevail) it will hurt both apple and app developers. Seems like a no brainer to me :(
 
editor said:
It's not just about soft porn (or, more accurately, the glamour industry) or even Pulitzer winning political satirists being arbitrarily hoofed off the AppStore on Jobbo's whim.

To me, it's about the wider debate of corporate moral censorship and unfair advantage given to big business pals.

If that doesn't bother you, fine, but it's an issue worth debating, imo.
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Well, let's not mistake a joke - however poor it may be - for saying "let's not talk about this", shall we?
 
Straight up here too. Router issue?

I actually have suckered myself into buying and retaining a .mac account since the early years. And I don't even have an iphone

:facepalm:

In mitigation, while it's an expensive luxury, I'm too used to the email address and some of the convenience it offers. Bad value in the main mind, even if does offer a few nice features and massive convenience
 
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