ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
Yeah, this is my concern with the platform. Too many types of hardware to contend with making it difficult for developers.
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Yeah, this is my concern with the platform. Too many types of hardware to contend with making it difficult for developers.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Check this shit out:
http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html
Bloody hell!
Although iphone 4 will be mixing things up too, with its hires screen (but if it's 640x960, it won't be quite as painful)
grit
an ugly force for good
YAY for Swype, best thing I've ever installed.
Sunray what exactly are the problems you are having?
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
For instance, we are trying to make a Android compatible version of the web software we make. The screen size variations make it a mare.
Then there is the issue of what version of Android we support? Remember that not all phones that run Android will run later versions or ever be upgraded, but there are soon to be 5 versions. The earlier versions are a bit on the buggy side. One of our guys has an 1.6 Android phone and that does not report that its an Android phone in the UserAgent string. I'm not in the business of using a stack fingerprint to work it out.
Our software auto scales so it will work OK on an Android browser but we wanted to make it better than just a resize, but the screen size issue is proving a problem. We can make it work, but the cost of doing that far outweigh the value anyone would get back from it.
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
Yeah, iffy. But then for me, a great browser (mostly) makes up for a weaker app line up.
grit
an ugly force for good
Yes unfortunately different screen configurations are the cost of doing business in mobile, I know your frustration. Is this a web application or native code? If its native code why would you care about the useragent?
editor
hiraethified
All mobile OS's are going to support a lot more screen resolutions. OS's like the Android and webOS will be turning up in all sorts of devices - printers, tablets, TVs etc - and even Apple will soon have at least three screen resolutions on offer (iPad, 3G, 4G).
The Android OS continues to grow massively, btw, and HP - who are mahoosive in the world of printers - have announced that they'll be running some on the webOS.
http://www.wirefresh.com/hp-to-release-webos-powered-slates-tablets-and-printers/
The Android OS continues to grow massively, btw, and HP - who are mahoosive in the world of printers - have announced that they'll be running some on the webOS.
http://www.wirefresh.com/hp-to-release-webos-powered-slates-tablets-and-printers/
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
As we're talking about Andriod, I had a look and play with my mate's Desire. Don't fancy it.
Nothing wrong with it, just a personal thing.
Nothing wrong with it, just a personal thing.
bmd
Island in the stream.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Are you insane? Why not just buy a handset and carry on using your existing contract?
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
Its a WebApp and it primarily used on larger screens but the new version supports mobile devices.
iPhone, no problem and the JS extensions they have allow for touch screen stuff. The Android platform does as well but its just not as smooth.
grit
an ugly force for good
I havnt checked but perhaps there is another header in the request that could help you identify the phone other than the user agent?
Can you give some specific examples of not as smooth?
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
When you swipe left and right, on the iPhone its got the ability to smoothly transition but on Android there was no easy way to do that bar writing a stack of JS so we had to just page flip rather than scroll. Its OK just doesn't look quite as good.
One day it will all converge so this sort of issue will be banished to history.
grit
an ugly force for good
Haven't played with it for a while but have you looked at the Jqtouch lib?
Also the reason for the iPhone smooth transitions is that apparently some CSS animations are hardware accelerated.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
No, the point is that we don't deem the effort to be worth making for minimal gain for one platform that few if any of our customers use right now.
We have more pressing issues.
grit
an ugly force for good
I really wish I shared your optimism.
elbows
Well-Known Member
The hardware acceleration of user interface elements in the os,native apps and within the web browser via css transitions & transformations is certainly one of the key ingredients of the iphones 'magic'. Other companies are foolish if they skimp on this stuff, it matters.
Happily CSS transforms etc are being included in more browsers these days, although we've yet to see widespread hardware-acceleration of this stuff on the desktop, but it is coming.
I dont know too much about Android but apparently even outside the browser there is not a lot of hardware-accelerated UI animation going on, unless this has been addressed in a more recent version. Developers that want to use 3D in an accelerated fashion have to use OpenGL ES directly.
The other thing which is coming is WebGL, which has a lot of potential and is being supported by Webkit, Chrome & Firefox on the desktop. Hopefully it comes to mobile devices soon too, it should do, its a pretty good fit and will be rather handy once people have done the hard work of developing javascript frameworks that make utilising WebGL a piece of cake for those of us that dont want to program on the complex OpenGL level.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Does anyone have any gossip on the likely release date for the 4G?
elbows
Well-Known Member
The gossip I heard is for it to be launched on June 22 but thats not to say that you'l actually be able to get your hands on one on that date.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
It'll be around in June some time; I'd wait.
Hold on - sorry - I'm derailing this Android thread. If I want to talk about the iPhone I should start a thread about it.
Hold on - sorry - I'm derailing this Android thread. If I want to talk about the iPhone I should start a thread about it.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
The past three generations have all come out in mid June to early July, safe bet it'll be the same this year....
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
A near certainly they will announce it and detail its new features on the 7th of June at about 6pm here. That is the start of the Worldwide Developers Conference at Apple.
editor
hiraethified
US Department of Justice has just launched another anti-trust investigation into Apple's practices - for the third time in a month, according to BGR.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/technology/26apple.html
Mind you, this is a classic "I've actually got nothing useful to add and haven't got a clue what it's about but I'll say something anyway" kind of interview:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/technology/26apple.html
Mind you, this is a classic "I've actually got nothing useful to add and haven't got a clue what it's about but I'll say something anyway" kind of interview:
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
Doh i just upgraded from an old Crokia to an iPhone and wish I had done it years ago. I'm amazed at MobileMe.
Google up FAAP (freeappaday) and subscribe to the daily email. You will some good apps reduced to free for a day. Mostly games but I have had some goods ones.
Kanda
Diving wanker
Are you out of contract?
I always just toss Carphone Warehouse my old one, I've never waited to the end of a contract before upgrading. Cost me £100 last upgrade (3GS) and still had 6 months left on my contract.
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