Apple iPhone and related items (cont.)
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Gromit
International Man of Misery
When are they going to hurry up and release it though?
The gossip sites keep given dates that keep passing.
Lazy Llama
Suburban robots that monitor reality
I can't see many business users being tempted by Flash support, and their iPhones already have USB (and Bluetooth) tethering.
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
But it's flash! FLASH!!!
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I suspect most business users would love to have Flash support seeing as loads of online business data is presented in that format - I could then read the stats for my site, for example.
I've no idea if the carriers will be able to block Android tethering, but the price of iPhone tethering is almost comically high in the UK (3GB for £14.68 per month, 10GB for £29.36).
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
I suspect most people couldn't give a toss about flash.
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Actually, there's been a huge take up of iPhones in the business sector.
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
Yeah, because it's not even slightly popular on the web is it?
Quick straw poll of iphone users (handset of choice for work phones in this office) suggests that there's not much interest in Flash.
In fact you're the only person I've ever heard go on (and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on ) about it.
So take your
and have a 
in return, Mr SneeryWhinge. 
Lazy Llama
Suburban robots that monitor reality
If the telcos can block it from the iPhone, I'd have thought they can block it from Android. For example, they block it on the Pre, if you don't have the bolt-on apparently.
The price is the same as O2's normal Mobile Broadband dongle pricing, give or take a few pennies. Mobile broadband in the UK is still silly money, as usual with anything that the telcos have control of.
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Pick up your toys and stop acting so childishly.Quick straw poll of iphone users (handset of choice for work phones in this office) suggests that there's not much interest in Flash.
In fact you're the only person I've ever heard go on (and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on ) about it.
So take your
I'm just stating the facts and that is that Flash is hugely popular on the web both as a means as delivering content and for games. That doesn't make me a fan of the technology, but the fact remains that it's used in more than 85 per cent of websites (including the BBC).
As for the iPhone users supposedly not wanting Flash, that statement would appear to become unstuck by the fact that 7 million iPhone users have tried to download Flash.
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=28619
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hiraethified
If iPhone users were offered a Flash plug in right now, how many do you think would download it?
None (according to stupid dogbot's 'poll') or millions of users keen to access the full web content and the thousands of free games on their handset?
grit
an ugly force for good
I think the vast majority wouldn't even understand what it was.
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
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You think the 'vast majority' of iPhone users don't know what Flash is?
Seeing as the Opera Mini browser for the iPhone was downloaded one million times in one day when it was launched, I'm pretty sure some iPhone users just might be able to work it out, you know.
elbows
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The people who have iphones at work dont actually browse the web all that much with them, they mostly use apps.
I would not deny that flash would be quite attractive to many people right now, although if this argument continues for a couple of years then I think it will become much less of a factor by the time the arguing is done, quite a lot of sites and services will be moving away from flash in the next 12-18 months.
I would not deny that flash would be quite attractive to many people right now, although if this argument continues for a couple of years then I think it will become much less of a factor by the time the arguing is done, quite a lot of sites and services will be moving away from flash in the next 12-18 months.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I think my Desire already has this...
grit
an ugly force for good
I think the vast majority of them dont care. Sometimes we forget our little geek bubble doesn't represent the general consumer ya know?
To put it in perspective about a month ago Opera was pegged at about 1.02 million downloads, now lets contrast that with the estimated amount if iPhones in the wild as just over 50 million.
Doesnt seem like such a big success does it? Thats because the average person on the street doesnt even know what the fuck a browser is (I think the daily show did a skit on this).
I'm not saying there are not a decent amount of iPhone users out there that really want flash, they are just not the majority.
g force
Affects Shatner's Basoon
Do you have any stats? When you have to pay a min of £50 per handset (as offered to our firm) vs free Blackberry or HTC most business will make the obvious choice esp when the majority of users need push email.
Plenty of business people use iPhones, yes. Many get their work email sent to their iPhone. But businesses buying iphones for their staff rather than RIM or HTC? I seriously doubt that.
elbows
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The only reason our business didnt switch to iphone is that we had not long got other handsets from the network supplier and they wanted too much money to switch. In the meantime a few managers got bored of waiting and got iphones for themselves at some personal cost.
The iphone does do push email now you know.
The iphone does do push email now you know.
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Actually, the vast majority of them use massively popular websites like Facebook and MySpace that are veritably stuffed to the gills with Flash-powered players, widgets and games.
As a promoter I can't even listen to a band's songs on my iPhone and that's fucking annoying.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I think the missing flash annoyance reality sits somewhere in between these 2 extremes.
For example its possible to overstate how painful facebook is without flash, its just fine on the iphone for a lot of usage scenarios, but to suggest that most people dont care at all about flash being missing is not likely true either.
For example its possible to overstate how painful facebook is without flash, its just fine on the iphone for a lot of usage scenarios, but to suggest that most people dont care at all about flash being missing is not likely true either.
Loads of businesses buying the iphone ime, often driven by significant numbers employees buying their own iphones and demand building so much that even the IT bods give in.
From my company's point of view - information provision to the financial markets - the iphone versions of the (previously RIM only) software are increasingly remarkably rapidly as a proportion of subs.
From my company's point of view - information provision to the financial markets - the iphone versions of the (previously RIM only) software are increasingly remarkably rapidly as a proportion of subs.
grit
an ugly force for good
Exactly and even so it accounts for something like 50% of mobile traffic, even if the iPhone did have flash those games would not be playable. Now if we had examples of mobile optimised flash sites we could be talking a different story, but we dont, so we're not.
Its a chicken and egg situation no cares because they have not seen it and it cant gain traction without some compelling cases to point to. Therefore its not in the average users mind.
If android gets a good implementation and really cool stuff is done with it the tide may change.
grit
an ugly force for good
Give in??? WTF
Their your fucking users, you decide what they can and cant do, thats madness.
Put it this way, if you have an obstructive IT team, trained predominantly through the Microsoft Accredited Blinkered school of using Microsoft products, coupled with a historical reliance on RIM, then IT teams aren't often that helpful towards things Apple. You might cut the design teams some slack, but...
However, if your CEO and a lot of the senior management team are iphone converts, your biggest clients are increasingly demanding iphone apps and iphone software sales are rising markedly higher than the others, then IT reluctance to entertain another platform tends to waver.
However, if your CEO and a lot of the senior management team are iphone converts, your biggest clients are increasingly demanding iphone apps and iphone software sales are rising markedly higher than the others, then IT reluctance to entertain another platform tends to waver.
grit
an ugly force for good
Ah yes thats a different story!
I just had visions of some sales droid demanding their iPhone is setup on the corporate network to sync with outlook.
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