editor
hiraethified
So you think it shouldn't be mentioned here, even though other larger tech sites are reporting it as a newsworthy development?
I'm posting iPhone-related news on an iPhone-related thread, so what's your point?
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I'm posting iPhone-related news on an iPhone-related thread, so what's your point?
grit
an ugly force for good
I'm more of the view that forums should be more discussion orientated rather than just posting links to stories that for the purposes of the discussion dont add anything new.
grit
an ugly force for good
They ban so many things at this stage that , for me personally (im pretty sure a bunch of other people) that the story is not really newsworthy, more a by the way sort of thing.
editor
hiraethified
editor
hiraethified
It's certainly attracted a lot of user comments on tech news sites and there's been a fair bit of discussion on related boards, so just because you decide that a story is not newsworthy, that doesn't mean it is.
If you don't want to discuss it or if you find the topic too dull for your tastes, then jog on. News stories often form the basis of interesting debates here, btw.
grit
an ugly force for good
Bit of an over reaction? I never suggested I should be consulted before links are posted
Your obviously more upset than I am
grit
an ugly force for good
wordie
What's in a word?
Personally, and as an Apple fan who has clashed with the Ed on more than one occasion, what the Ed says here, bears repeating! There needs to be someone standing up and illuminating the slow erosion of society's freedom of speech by a mere technology company...
Don't criticise him; applaud him!
Structaural
in Chatsubo
I agree, piss off to Appleinsider if you want constant clap-happy apple stories and everyone in basic agreement of how wonderful apple is.
Personally I'm fucked off that apple seem to be upping their control into areas they shouldn't. From this latest attack on developers (those who love 3D games might want to watch that space as technically a lot of games librariers are in now in breach of the SDK), to banning a cartoonist. Bloody ridiculous.
Personally I'm fucked off that apple seem to be upping their control into areas they shouldn't. From this latest attack on developers (those who love 3D games might want to watch that space as technically a lot of games librariers are in now in breach of the SDK), to banning a cartoonist. Bloody ridiculous.
grit
an ugly force for good
Then dont use their fucking products.
grit
an ugly force for good
You lose credibility complaining if you continue to supprort them.
grit
an ugly force for good
Please carry on, I'm sure it will have precisely the same effect as it has had previously, which is obviously a far superior alternative.
Structaural
in Chatsubo
whoop dere it is: Fanboi response no.1™, to any criticism.
That's obviously what I'd fucking do, mate, as that's the only power consumers have.
But as a user of their products (desktops mainly) since '84 I think I'm entitled to a moan about a company I've spent a fair bit of money on, on a thread about iPhones, about the iPhone. It changes fuck-all but it gets it off my chest.
I guess some people are completely happy with a platform that is slowly turning into some sort of PTA run, closed shop to those who don't wish to kow-tow to unreasonable restrictions (or learn how to make a game engine from scratch in Xcode).
As to losing credibility when complaining about something you've paid for, really, that's what you think? I can't complain about a film I just saw? I can't unsee it.
I can't complain about a car I just bought? even though it might do everything I want pretty well? We should just accept all things as is, or not use them?
I'd actually have more credibility complaining about a product I didn't use and had no knowledge of?
"Eroding society's freedom of speech"? Hardly. The iPhone is apple's product and they have every right to decide what software runs on it or not. If you want true freedom of speech there are plenty of other avenues to get it.
grit
an ugly force for good
Yeah your logic fails there as I run an Android device for some of the reasons being moaned about in this thread. I put my money where my mouth is.
No, you lose credibility when you continue to support their product. If your a long time apple customer, you knew what you were buying into.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
vaguely attempting to steer the thread away from turning into Gizmodo's comment section ("omg steve jobs has banned satire on the iphone so people don't insult him") there are a few points:
1. this indicates that all the old App Store inconsistent approval fuckups are still taking place, as there are loads of political cartoon apps already there, and all this seems to be is a syndicator for one particular cartoonist;
2. it's an indication of a high level of risk aversion on Apple's part. Though this isn't anything new really. They clearly pre-approve App Store content and so don't have immunity on a "common carrier" basis, and they are apparently taking absolutely no chances on either the app store's image or potential legal threats in assorted jurisdictions. Given that they're displaying this, and the App Store business model isn't going to change:
3. the whole model that many people have been using of distributing content in specialised apps, rather than having apps access and display content, just isn't looking like a good idea.
1. this indicates that all the old App Store inconsistent approval fuckups are still taking place, as there are loads of political cartoon apps already there, and all this seems to be is a syndicator for one particular cartoonist;
2. it's an indication of a high level of risk aversion on Apple's part. Though this isn't anything new really. They clearly pre-approve App Store content and so don't have immunity on a "common carrier" basis, and they are apparently taking absolutely no chances on either the app store's image or potential legal threats in assorted jurisdictions. Given that they're displaying this, and the App Store business model isn't going to change:
3. the whole model that many people have been using of distributing content in specialised apps, rather than having apps access and display content, just isn't looking like a good idea.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
as a followup, according to the NYT Steve Jobs has said it was a mistake and going to be corrected - http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.c...-a-mistake-in-rejecting-pulitzer-winners-app/ - though if true that doesn't really change the above. App Store fuckups are taking place, and risk aversion policies must be OTT if they're resulting in approvers interpreting them to denying approval to this sort of app.
Structaural
in Chatsubo
ah just trolling then. I guess you have zero to complain about otherwise you'd have to abandon that platform too.
Well personally I can't run out and buy the latest thing because I have a few complaints about my current device. And that probably goes for most people.
What a load of bollocks. So all the tech you buy you are 100% happy with it?
Like most stuff we choose, it does 80-90% well and we complain about the other 10%. Making a noise has often changed vendors attitudes to their customers, taking your dollar to the competition isn't the only option (or often affordable). I have problems with my mac pro, doesn't mean I going to get a windows box as the positives outweigh the negatives.
For instance when the 8800GT upgrade for macpros came out they wouldn't support the old 2007 mac pro. We made a load of noise and Apple ended up writing the needed drivers themselves because of one thread on MacRumours. So complaining can often work. And not everyone can afford to go buy a competitors product because they have problems with their current one.
As pointed out Apple have already retracted their banning of that cartoonist because of negative press.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
So when a device like the ipad which has been hyped as the future of publishing, limits what can be published on, that's no cause for concern?
Because other companies never follow what apple do?
If you choose to use someone someone else's medium to spread your message you have to follow their rules. Even this forum has rules about what you can and cannot say.
I fail to see how ONE company restricting content on its devices is "eroding soceity's freedom of speech". Maybe if they were the only option, but they're not.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Its more I see it as a worrying trend. How would you feel if all the major players did it?
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Anywaaaaay, let's get back to what makes this thread fun, speculation!
Is this the new iPhone?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7598828/Leaked-photos-show-iPhone-4G.html
Is this the new iPhone?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7598828/Leaked-photos-show-iPhone-4G.html
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Have there ever in the history of anything been any leaked photos of Apple products that were real? I can't think of any offhand.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Yep the new nano shots that came out before launch were pretty on the money...
That image is fake however according to MacRumours. Would look nice like that though..!
That image is fake however according to MacRumours. Would look nice like that though..!
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
No, I mean "of an actual pre release product" rather than "the Photoshop looked lots like what came out in the end" - eventually people get that right.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
FridgeMagnet said:
I'm sure there was actual photos of the nano before it was confirmed...
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