Another Russian spy hit?

[teqniq]

Look at the graphics on that website you quoted if you can't manage to read the fucking drivel.

Fucking anti-semitic shit you cunt.

In my first look at the site I was concentrating on the text, I just went back and took stock of the graphics. Anti-semitic, yes. Good lord.

 

[squirrelp]

In my first look at the site I was concentrating on the text, I just went back and took stock of the graphics. Anti-semitic, yes. Good lord.

okay my bad. In no way am I intending to promote that site I will delete it

 

[tim]

I think it is worth noting that

1) Mossad is certainly capable of carrying out assassinations
2) Israel and Russia are very much having a spat over Syria
3) The Mossad motto is "by way of deception thou shalt do war"
4) Israel is not signed up to the Chemical Weapons Convention and is believed to have a chemical weapons programme

of course none of this means that Israel is responsible but the possibility should not be discounted.

Neither, Presumably should Lichtenstein. Still, you can't have a, member proper conspiracy theory without a serving of antisemitism, can you?

 

[teqniq]

okay my bad. In no way am I intending to promote that site I will delete it

Oh rly? What you didn't look at the graphics and draw some conclusions? You are either incredibly stupid or devious or perhaps both. Just fuck off eh?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Oh rly? What you didn't look at the graphics and draw some conclusions? You are either incredibly stupid or devious or perhaps both. Just fuck off eh?

Pretty sure we can rule out devious.

 

[likesfish]

f16 is a thirty-year-old design depending on what mark of kits attached to it it might be up their with the best or be lagging behind the curve

 

[FridgeMagnet]

That’s a permanent ban now btw.

 

[krtek a houby]

Seems that conspiracy theorists are usually the architects of their own downfall. I'm sure there's a lesson in it somewhere.

 

[existentialist]

copliker

I hadn't checked out the rest of the site. That article you link is indeed totally unacceptable. I was responding to a personal accusation

"You made me do it". Which compounds the original crime, IMO.

 

[existentialist]

Oh rly? What you didn't look at the graphics and draw some conclusions? You are either incredibly stupid or devious or perhaps both. Just fuck off eh?

Well, TBF, it's classic conspiraloon - they'll grab anything that notionally supports the claim they're making, but their blinkers never let them consider the baggage that's riding alongside.

And people like squirrelp consider themselves somehow morally superior to the rest of us???

 

[Dogsauce]

yeah - whilst there are reasons why the russian state would want to do this and everything points to it being them - its still all a bit WTF?!? Its terrible PR for russia - and its a perverse act to carry out 3 months before they host a multi-billion pr exercise in the shape of the world cup. The gain to international shitstorm ratio seems well out of whack.
When they grabbed Crimea, there was a clear strategic imperative which drove them to it - to allow the new Ukrainian regime to keep it would have been ceding control of the black sea to a western backed power.
But this? Assuming it is the russians suggests there is quite a high degree of paranoia, belligerence and dysfunction at the top of the regime. A deliberate, vicious act of intimidation that seriously ups the ante. A horses head in the form of a nerve agent. Not a happy thought.

I think the problem is people see Putin as some cat-stroking criminal genius personally overseeing shit like this, whereas it's possible state actors/former state assets carried this out without direct authorisation for whatever reason (personal scores/mafia shit/business shit). Hence it doesn't necessarily need to be considered as a strategic move with carefully calculated motives ascribed to the whole state set-up. The method does however hint at some kind of 'sending a message' which leans heavily to state involvement (unless the victims had somehow got hold of the material themselves for their own purposes and mishandled it - that would be an interesting twist...)

I guess we'll eventually get more information about the victims and what they may have been mixed up in that will help make some sense of it all.

 

[teqniq]

The Skripal Poisonings and the Chance To Build A Left Foreign Policy

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

another thought - I think the whole Iraq WMD debacle actually argues against all the "false flag" bollocks. After the fall of the regime - the USuk were desperate to turn up any evidence. After two years they fessed up and said "no - looks like there was nothing after all - soz". What was notable was that they made no attempt to fabricate evidence of an Iraqi WMD program.

This was a situation where, whilst the country was in chaos, they had complete control of the the state apparatus (institutions, infrastructure) with no outside checks and balances , they had most of the leading members of the regime under lock and key (and therefore easy to intimidate into bullshitting on their behalf) - and they still felt it was too risky to try and bullshit it.
If they couldn't/wouldn't do it them - with a clear opportunity and a massive motive - why on earth now - with much greater risks and far less of a reason?

By the time they admitted there were no WMDs they had achieved their objectives, so no need to risk bullshitting further.

Not that that situation is linked to this.

 

[teqniq]

Interesting and perhaps predictable given Syria:

 

[spikey_r]

this article posted by the now banned (well done Mods) squirrelP puts the "it's more important that people take the article and propogate it" than "viewed the article critically and thoroughly de-constructed it" into a bit more perspective....

his opening line "several million people have now read the artice....." probably about the same amount who read the s-n newspaper...by definition does that mean that they are informed!

mine might be a simplistic view, but he seems to believe his own lies and tries to elevate himself to the position of an authority on the subject!

(just to add i'm purely a reader of this thread. there are a load of well thought out responses/replies. thank you to all!)

Craig Murray's latest blog post On Not Being Refuted - Craig Murray

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Several million people have now read my articles on the lack of evidence of Russian government guilt for the Salisbury attack. That’s over 300,000 unique visitors on this little blog alone so far, and it has been repeated on hundreds of sites all over the internet. My own tweets on the subject have been retweeted over 12,500 times and received 8 million impressions. I know that journalists from every mainstream media outlet you can mention have seen the material, because of numerous tweets from them none of which address any of the facts, but instead call me a “Conspiracy nutter” or variants of that, some very rude.

 

[petee]

That’s a permanent ban now btw.

ah, so i can unignore him

 

[Kaka Tim]

By the time they admitted there were no WMDs they had achieved their objectives, so no need to risk bullshitting further.

Not that that situation is linked to this.

caused them a lot of political damage though.

 

[Corax]

Does the fact that anti-semitic conspiraloons have jumped on it being Israel mean that the possibility that it wasn't Russia (but not necessarily Israel) should be discounted?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

caused them a lot of political damage though.

Neither Bush nor Blair were thrown out of office. Of course Blair can never again walk the streets like a freeman does, the despicable skid mark that he is.

 

[Kaka Tim]

the urkaine thing is vaguely plausible at a considerable stretch - - shitting Russia's bed before the world cup - until you consider the russian reaction. If it wasn't putin and co, they would have been going mad pointing fingers.

 

[existentialist]

Does the fact that anti-semitic conspiraloons have jumped on it being Israel mean that the possibility that it wasn't Russia (but not necessarily Israel) should be discounted?

I would read nothing into the antics of fuckwit conspiraloons. Either way. They're irrelevant.

In fact, one of the most significant things about the way our fuckwit conspiraloons operate is the desperation of their desire to be relevant. I think squirrelp jumped the shark when he tried to equate the motivation for his responding on this thread with France's motivation for responding the way they had. That was, actually, somewhat chortlesome.

 

[existentialist]

the urkaine thing is vaguely plausible at a considerable stretch - - shitting Russia's bed before the world cup - until you consider the russian reaction. If it wasn't putin and co, they would have been going mad pointing fingers.

As opposed to chortling. Hmm, what is the Russian for "chortling"?

ETA: хихикает, apparently. "Giggling". It's quite onomatopeic.

 

[elbows]

Neither Bush nor Blair were thrown out of office. Of course Blair can never again walk the streets like a freeman does, the despicable skid mark that he is.

Yeah I'd never describe Blairs removal as being thrown out, even though it shared some characteristics. As well as dwelling on his current status of some kind of death grin apparition, I believe there were some moments of humiliation and awkwardness during his exit. Having to provide a timetable for departure, having to grin and share an icecream with Gordon in public, although my memory may have hyped these things.

The main Bush humiliation I could dwell on would be that after he won reelection against Kerry, lots of people from the US held up signs on the internet apologising to the world. And then after the horrors of the Katrina response an even larger swathe of the US just wanted to move on and forget Bush existed. But now the swine gets a partial rehabilitation in his lifetime, due in large part to Trump horrifying people even more.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Yeah I'd never describe Blairs removal as being thrown out, even though it shared some characteristics. As well as dwelling on his current status of some kind of death grin apparition, I believe there were some moments of humiliation and awkwardness during his exit. Having to provide a timetable for departure, having to grin and share an icecream with Gordon in public, although my memory may have hyped these things.

The main Bush humiliation I could dwell on would be that after he won reelection against Kerry, lots of people from the US held up signs on the internet apologising to the world. And then after the horrors of the Katrina response an even larger swathe of the US just wanted to move on and forget Bush existed. But now the swine gets a partial rehabilitation in his lifetime, due in large part to Trump horrifying people even more.

Nothing we in the UK can do about the Bush clan, Blair can be hounded to the day he dies and any attempt of his offspring to take office, a al Kinnock, needs to be robustly opposed.

Sins of the father? Mustn’t be profited from.

 

[teqniq]

Blair's kids will probably do very nicely out of his business dealings. No need to go into politics unless you have the ego and vanity thing going on.

 

[Mumbles274]

After all the shitting over threads, but surprisingly not the cricket ones.. I'm still really enjoying this:

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Blair's kids will probably do very nicely out of his business dealings. No need to go into politics unless you have the ego and vanity thing going on.

Another prime case for sequestering his assets and those of his family. In fact probably no need to sequester, the proceeds of crime act should be able to deal with that murderous tossbag’s dosh.

 

[likesfish]

russian ambassador is trolling on BBC claiming the British won't allow consulate access to the Russian in Hospital

 

[2hats]

russian ambassador is trolling on BBC claiming the British won't allow consulate access to the Russian in Hospital

Most likely they have both been kept in induced comas anyway.

 

[AnnaKarpik]

So Novichok agents do exist;

Iranian chemists identify Russian chemical warfare agents - Ezine - spectroscopyNOW.com

Sorry, spectroscopynow might be on the batshit loon fringe - no doubt someone with the power to decide on that will be along.