Another Russian spy hit?

[elbows]

By way of misconception thou shalt do bore.

 

[Spymaster]

I think it is worth noting that

1) Mossad is certainly capable of carrying out assassinations
2) Israel and Russia are very much having a spat over Syria
3) The Mossad motto is "by way of deception thou shalt do war"
4) Israel is not signed up to the Chemical Weapons Convention and is believed to have a chemical weapons programme

of course none of this means that Israel is responsible but the possibility should not be discounted.

So that's now at least 2 scientists quoted here, including one who worked on the agent, saying Murray is full of shit. His supposed defence is nothing of the sort, just froth and piss, you've misrepresented the French position, and now you're chucking up an Israel smokescreen.

Fuck off.

 

[LDC]

I think it is worth noting that

1) Mossad is certainly capable of carrying out assassinations
2) Israel and Russia are very much having a spat over Syria
3) The Mossad motto is "by way of deception thou shalt do war"
4) Israel is not signed up to the Chemical Weapons Convention and is believed to have a chemical weapons programme

of course none of this means that Israel is responsible but the possibility should not be discounted.

Prick. Thick fucking nasty prick. You need banning now.

 

[teqniq]

2) Israel and Russia are very much having a spat over Syria

I'm sorry what was that?

Israel Says It’s Counting on Putin in Syria, U.S. Isn’t in the ‘Game’

Israel is counting on Russian President Vladimir Putin to keep confrontations with Iran and Syria from spiraling into war as the Trump administration mostly watches from the sidelines, a senior aide to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said.

“The American part of the equation is to back us up,” but the U.S. currently “has almost no leverage on the ground,” Michael Oren, Netanyahu’s deputy minister for public diplomacy and a former ambassador to Washington, said in a phone interview Sunday. “America did not ante up in Syria. It’s not in the game.”

Analysts: Israel’s headed to a war in Syria, and only Russia can stop it

According to a new report by the International Crisis Group, a think tank and advocacy firm, the only figure able to prevent a full-fledged, bloody conflict between Israel and the Iran-led axis is Russia, which has emerged from the Syrian civil war as the sole remaining powerbroker.

I call bullshit.

 

[squirrelp]

I'm sorry what was that?

<edited to remove link to unnacceptable site>

 

[squirrelp]

let's note that your links involve Netanyu makings demands of Russia, teqniq

 

[DotCommunist]

The Dawn of the Genesis Race – Alternative Creation Theory

How do we know this is true? Because we still grow the very crops they supposedly selected even after 5000 years of continuous technological and agricultural development. We are asked to suspend disbelief and accept they also constructed the largest precision-engineered stone building the world has ever seen – the Great Pyramid of Giza – using only primitive hand tools and backbreaking labor. Something is obviously wrong with this picture.

Is it logical to assume our Earthly ancestors could (or would) have thrown together the agricultural revolution and then the entire civilisations of Sumer and Egypt out of whole cloth? No it is not; and neither do these suppositions represent sound science.

For those of us in the alternative history camp, one of the most fundamental questions we must impress upon the public and upon ‘official science’ is to ask where are the antecedents and precedents? Show us the slow Darwinian stages of development that official history presupposes. How can you explain the sudden appearance of genetically altered food crops and advanced engineering techniques at the onset of human civilisation?

The Zionist Brainwashing of America

The Zionist neoconservative fascist ideology has been developed over many decades. American society has lived under a state of psychological siege for many years, as the slow indoctrination with the growing ideology has been carried out by agents of the new "Zion." We have constantly been bombarded, every minute of every day, with their psychological conditioning which has been meant to lead us into a state of helpless despair. In this hopeless condition, we would theoretically willingly surrender our individuality to the state controllers. We have literally been scared and "entertained" to death, so that we would give-up, roll over, and play dead. They wanted our surrender to be assured before they took the final steps to murder our democratic-Republic. The final step is the last act in the war on terrorism, the bombing of Iran. This is the critical step that is necessary in the Zionist plot to claim the "birthright" of the "chosen people," as promised to the true "Israel."

excellent source as always Nutbags. I'm pretty sure 'there are no sunglasses' name is a They Live reference, which fits.

 

[teqniq]

Israel’s Fourth Generation Fighter Jet Shot Down by Russian S-200 Air Shield

about a month ago

And?

for all the Israeli state's faults, and they are many imo, their main fear in Syria is the Iranians and Hezbollah. The jet that was shot down was engaged on a mission against either both or one of those actors. Also lo and behold from your source:

The Arabic-language website of Sputnik quoted the website of Aviation Analysis Wing as reporting that the Syrian air defense units targeted the modern Israeli F16 fighter jet by a S-200 missile defense system designed in soviet era in the 1960s.

So it was an old Russian made system supplied to the Syrians and not the Russians themselves.

Now enough of your vapid witterings please.

 

[squirrelp]

And?

for all the Israeli state's faults, and they are many imo, their main fear in Syria is the Iranians and Hezbollah. The jet that was shot down was engaged on a mission against either both or one of those actors. Also lo and behold from your source:



So it was an old Russian made system supplied to the Syrians and not the Russians themselves.

Now enough of your vapid witterings please.

I don't see what we are disagreeing over. Israel just had one of their fighter jets taken out by Syrian forces with Russian assistance.

I repeat, none of this means for a moment that Israel was responsible. The point is that there are other state actors who may have the motive and means to carry out an attack like this and frame Russia for it.

 

[happie chappie]

I think it is worth noting that

1) Mossad is certainly capable of carrying out assassinations
2) Israel and Russia are very much having a spat over Syria
3) The Mossad motto is "by way of deception thou shalt do war"
4) Israel is not signed up to the Chemical Weapons Convention and is believed to have a chemical weapons programme

of course none of this means that Israel is responsible but the possibility should not be discounted.

Conspiraloons like Murray and squirrelp:

1] Take a significant and contoversial world event.

2] State it’s a “false flag”.

3] Decide who benefits (usually the “Zionists*).

4] Identify who REALLY committed the act (the “Zionists” yet again).

5] Then look for any “evidence” to support their theory.

Of course, when no credible evidence emerges it’s because the MSM have covered it up (usually at the behest of the “Zionists”).

* Even they are too polite to say “Jews”.

And so on ad nauseam.

So you can never win an argument with a conspiraloon.

In fact I’ve never come across one who, when presented with solid and inconvertible evidence that their version of events is nothing more than complete and utter bollocks, has put his/her hand up and admitted they were actually wrong.

Arguing with them is akin to nailing jelly to the wall and so an equally futile waste of time and effort.

 

[squirrelp]

Conspiraloons like Murray and squirrelp:

1] Take a significant and contoversial world event.

2] State it’s a “false flag”.

Although neither Murray nor myself have said such a thing in this instance. I have not discounted the possibility that Russia is responsible. We don't know.

 

[squirrelp]

teqniq

Russia deploys advanced stealth jets in Syria with warning aimed at Israel

 

[LDC]

I don't see what we are disagreeing over. Israel just had one of their fighter jets taken out by Syrian forces with Russian assistance.

I repeat, none of this means for a moment that Israel was responsible. The point is that there are other state actors who may have the motive and means to carry out an attack like this and frame Russia for it.

Look at the graphics on that website you quoted if you can't manage to read the fucking drivel.

Fucking anti-semitic shit you cunt.

 

[teqniq]

I don't see what we are disagreeing over. Israel just had one of their fighter jets taken out by Syrian forces with Russian assistance.

I repeat, none of this means for a moment that Israel was responsible. The point is that there are other state actors who may have the motive and means to carry out an attack like this and frame Russia for it.

Russia has supplied Syria with weaponry long before it became actively involved in the conflict, essentially Syria has been a client state of the Russians for years so the only thing that is surprising about the jet being shot down with an old Russian missile system is that the plane in question is of a type called 'fourth generation' and it's electronic countermeasures should have been able to defeat the missile.

I see you have backtracked somewhat in your edited post (I wonder why?) from the insinuation that Israel may have been responsible to

none of this means for a moment that Israel was responsible

well there's a thing.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I think it is worth noting that

1) Mossad is certainly capable of carrying out assassinations
2) Israel and Russia are very much having a spat over Syria
3) The Mossad motto is "by way of deception thou shalt do war"
4) Israel is not signed up to the Chemical Weapons Convention and is believed to have a chemical weapons programme

of course none of this means that Israel is responsible but the possibility should not be discounted.

1) So are lots of other people.
2) Presumably this is the bit that's supposed to imply a motive of some kind, pity it's not true.
3) Bunch of spies in 'sneaky buggers' shocker.
4) Lots of countries have access to chemical weapons.

 

[peterkro]

There was that guy who stole nerve agent from the facility in Uzbekistan before the Americans turned up to shut it down; it was used to kill a banker and his secretary.

Secret trial shows risks of nerve agent theft in post-Soviet chaos:...

 

[klang]

Look at the graphics on that website you quoted if you can't manage to read the fucking drivel.

Fucking anti-semitic shit you cunt.

hook noses etc. truly nasty shit.

 

[eatmorecheese]

squirrelp

You are a vector for antisemitic bollocks. A dupe, a salmon that jumps on the hook for you.

Fuck off.

 

[krtek a houby]

Not really in favour of bans but if someone is in the habit of posting up anti-Semitic links/sites, perhaps a stern warning might persuade them to desist in future?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Not really in favour of bans but if someone is in the habit of posting up anti-Semitic links/sites, perhaps a stern warning might persuade them to desist in future?

Other iterations of racism would not be treated so leniently, nor should they be.

 

[Mumbles274]

squirrelp

You are a vector for antisemitic bollocks. A dupe, a salmon that jumps on the hook for you.

Fuck off.

This

 

[2hats]

So, just out of interest, what did Mirzayanov think a deadly and advanced toxin might legitimately be used for? Is he saying he didn't realise the Russian state wasn't capable of 'terrorism' while he worked on producing "tons" of a chemical weapon in secrecy?

On the battlefield with the West possibly? Perhaps he meant that whilst a fully paid up member of the party in the 70’s and 80’s (when he worked on the project) he didn’t forsee his country engaging in acts of terrorism and/or otherwise dangerously irresponsible activities?

 

[squirrelp]

Look at the graphics on that website you quoted if you can't manage to read the fucking drivel.

Fucking anti-semitic shit you cunt.

Oh there we go, criticism of the state of Israel, which happily practises apartheid and bombs children in hospitals, is 'anti-semitic' ffs.

 

[rekil]

Look at the graphics on that website you quoted if you can't manage to read the fucking drivel.

Fucking anti-semitic shit you cunt.

You mean this?




And the first article I click on is full of this shit.




Fire the fucker into the sun.

 

[IC3D]

Er because the USSR has no history of bumping people off 2hats

 

[squirrelp]

copliker

I hadn't checked out the rest of the site. That article you link is indeed totally unacceptable. I was responding to a personal accusation

take this daily star link for the same story instead although it doesn't mention the Russian missile used
On the brink of WAR? Tensions rise in Middle East as plane SHOT down

 

[rekil]

Fuck off.

 

[LDC]

Oh there we go, criticism of the state of Israel, which happily practises apartheid and bombs children in hospitals, is 'anti-semitic' ffs.

No you thunderously thick cunt, use of anti-semitic tropes and racist imagery is anti-semitic.

E2A, just seen the holocaust denial stuff on the site you posted. Just fuck right off.

 

[squirrelp]

Craig Murray's latest blog post On Not Being Refuted - Craig Murray

**********

Several million people have now read my articles on the lack of evidence of Russian government guilt for the Salisbury attack. That’s over 300,000 unique visitors on this little blog alone so far, and it has been repeated on hundreds of sites all over the internet. My own tweets on the subject have been retweeted over 12,500 times and received 8 million impressions. I know that journalists from every mainstream media outlet you can mention have seen the material, because of numerous tweets from them none of which address any of the facts, but instead call me a “Conspiracy nutter” or variants of that, some very rude.

Yet what I wrote has not been refuted. It would be very easy to refute were it not true. The government would just have to say “Porton Down have stated that they have definitely identified the nerve agent as made in Russia”. They have not said that. Most extraordinarily, not one mainstream media “journalist” has asked a minister the question: “You keep using this phrase the nerve agent is “of a type developed by Russia”. Are you able to confirm it was actually made in Russia?” .

There is no excuse for this. Literally hundreds of mainstream media “journalists” have slavishly reproduced the propaganda phrase “of a type developed by Russia” without a single one of them every querying this rather odd wording, or why it is the government always uses that precise wording again and again and again.

It goes without saying that not a single mainstream media “journalist” has reported that fact either that until recently Porton Down believed that “novichoks” had probably never actuallybeen synthesised successfully and that the OPCW has never banned them on the grounds that there was no evidence of their physical existence.

Finally I wish to repeat these important facts:

1) Israel has major undeclared stocks of chemical weapons
2) Israel is one of a handful of countries, including North Korea, not to ratify the Chemical Weapons Convention and commit to destroy its chemical weapons
3) Israel is not a member of the OPCW and refuses to declare its chemical weapon stocks to the OPCW.

These are also facts you will never, ever see reported in mainstream media and entirely predictably the corporate lickspittles of the mainstream media have been out in force on socal media justifying their refusal to act on any of the information I have given on the grounds I am an “anti-semite”. A more extreme example of using any criticism of Israel to allege anti-semitism is hard to conceive.

The contribution of Jewish people to human development in fields including science, literature, music, art and commerce has been simply magnificent and utterly disproportionate to their numbers. The genocidal policy of Israel towards the Palestinians these last seventy years, and its rogue state status as regard chemical and nuclear wmds is a completely different question, for which I in no way blame the generality of Jewish people. In fact my position on this is the opposite of a BDS position. I actually want Israel to join OPCW, be a full member and cooperate in the destruction of its chemical weapon stocks.

I think I might now have a vodka. Of a type developed by Russia. Made in Warrington.

 

[2hats]

Er because the USSR has no history of bumping people off 2hats

Openly (to their own people) acknowledged by them, prior to 1990, with nerve agents?