tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Differently, but sadly not intelligently
And actually your conspiraloon theories are not different. You spout the same bollocks as all the other conspiraloons.
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Another Russian spy hit?
- Thread starter krtek a houby
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And actually your conspiraloon theories are not different. You spout the same bollocks as all the other conspiraloons.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Just fuck off, you loon.
Who's election is it on Sunday. And why doesn't that count in your "different thinking?" I mean it's the same motive brain farted for it being a false flag. SO why not the other way round?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
When what you do actually starts looking like "thinking", you might have a point...
2hats
Dust.
Apparently only a few percent now (probably single digits).
AnnaKarpik
Queen of all she surveys
They could have a whole lot of fun disrupting the supply to all of Europe, I imagine, it wouldn't have to be targeted at the UK - nice cold snap coming next week I read. Unlikely though, I think, gas = foreign exchange.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
About 7%
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Just watching the news and it showed Russian news taking a less than sympathetic view of the UK. Russia and the UK have been enemies for centuries was the message being pushed, according to the report...
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
The Telegraph has come up with a new theory on the method of delivery...
Suitcase spy poisoning plot: nerve agent 'was planted in luggage of Sergei Skripal's daughter'
Suitcase spy poisoning plot: nerve agent 'was planted in luggage of Sergei Skripal's daughter'
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Isn’t that gaining thoughts cos she’s going out with a right shady fucker of a FSB agent?
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Corrected ...
If only. Lots of general lefty fb sites are running with it. Not surprising - since a lot of it is coming from the labour left.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
one thing killing a traitor to stop him spilling the beans.
another going after him years later because Vlad wants to feel a hard manand get his smersch on
He's got an election to win.
AnnaKarpik
Queen of all she surveys
Word is that he's not remotely struggling to get re-elected; unless you know otherwise?
Which is precisely why the playing-strong-man for the electorate is a shit reason for topping people years after you let them go.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I see murray is being quoted in the groan saying 'just asking questions man' BUT political titan stephen kinnock recons it surely was the russians.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
its definitely Russians involved only a loonspud would think it was spooks or conservative central office with nerve agent.
now proving the Kremlin was involved is probably impossible
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you fail to grasp the difference between proving it was the Russians, and making public the evidence that proves it was the Russians.
that the Germans - particularly - signed up to yesterdays statement suggests that there is a great deal more evidence that points to the Men With Snow On Their Boots than HMG is prepared to make public, or share with Seamus Milne.
now proving the Kremlin was involved is probably impossible
[/QUOTE]you fail to grasp the difference between proving it was the Russians, and making public the evidence that proves it was the Russians.
that the Germans - particularly - signed up to yesterdays statement suggests that there is a great deal more evidence that points to the Men With Snow On Their Boots than HMG is prepared to make public, or share with Seamus Milne.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You can safely half that figure.
(A good general rule of thumb every time dexter posts numbers btw)
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
If we follow the idea that it's all about sundays election then it's far more likely to have been internal state elements looking to disrupt putin's apparently smooth path. But that would open the door to the mad idea that there are competing interests in the russian state rather than one homogeneous putin led willing coalition.
not-bono-ever
meh
EDUARD TOLL (LNG tanker)
this 100,00 tonne LNG tanker has just dumped it cargo of Siberian LNG in kent and is returning home for another fillup- this avoids the European pipline bottleneck
this 100,00 tonne LNG tanker has just dumped it cargo of Siberian LNG in kent and is returning home for another fillup- this avoids the European pipline bottleneck
newbie
undisambiguated
if this was a freelance effort to disrupt Putin would you expect such a defiant response from the Russian government rather than, say, a purge?
Craig Murray has now hit this out of the park - Of A Type Developed By Liars - Craig Murray
Of A Type Developed By Liars 101
16 Mar, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig
I have now received confirmation from a well placed FCO source that Porton Down scientists are not able to identify the nerve gas as being of Russian manufacture, and have been resentful of the pressure being placed on them to do so. Porton Down would only sign up to the formulation “of a type developed by Russia” after a rather difficult meeting where this was agreed as a compromise formulation. The Russians were allegedly researching, in the “Novichok” programme a generation of nerve agents which could be produced from commercially available precursors such as insecticides and fertilisers. This substance is a “novichok” in that sense. It is of that type. Just as I am typing on a laptop of a type developed by the United States, though this one was made in China.
To anybody with a Whitehall background this has been obvious for several days. The government has never said the nerve agent was made in Russia, or that it can only be made in Russia. The exact formulation “of a type developed by Russia” was used by Theresa May in parliament, used by the UK at the UN Security Council, used by Boris Johnson on the BBC yesterday and, most tellingly of all, “of a type developed by Russia” is the precise phrase used in the joint communique issued by the UK, USA, France and Germany yesterday:
This use of a military-grade nerve agent, of a type developed by Russia, constitutes the first offensive use of a nerve agent in Europe since the Second World War.
When the same extremely careful phrasing is never deviated from, you know it is the result of a very delicate Whitehall compromise. My FCO source, like me, remembers the extreme pressure put on FCO staff and other civil servants to sign off the dirty dossier on Iraqi WMD, some of which pressure I recount in my memoir Murder in Samarkand. She volunteered the comparison to what is happening now, particularly at Porton Down, with no prompting from me.
Separately I have written to the media office at OPCW to ask them to confirm that there has never been any physical evidence of the existence of Russian Novichoks, and the programme of inspection and destruction of Russian chemical weapons was completed last year.
Did you know these interesting facts?
OPCW inspectors have had full access to all known Russian chemical weapons facilities for over a decade – including those identified by the “Novichok” alleged whistleblower Mirzayanov – and last year OPCW inspectors completed the destruction of the last of 40,000 tonnes of Russian chemical weapons
By contrast the programme of destruction of US chemical weapons stocks still has five years to run
Israel has extensive stocks of chemical weapons but has always refused to declare any of them to the OPCW. Israel is not a state party to the Chemical Weapons Convention nor a member of the OPCW. Israel signed in 1993 but refused to ratify as this would mean inspection and destruction of its chemical weapons. Israel undoubtedly has as much technical capacity as any state to synthesise “Novichoks”.
Until this week, the near universal belief among chemical weapons experts, and the official position of the OPCW, was that “Novichoks” were at most a theoretical research programme which the Russians had never succeeded in actually synthesising and manufacturing. That is why they are not on the OPCW list of banned chemical weapons.
Porton Down is still not certain it is the Russians who have apparently synthesised a “Novichok”. Hence “Of a type developed by Russia”. Note developed, not made, produced or manufactured.
It is very carefully worded propaganda. Of a type developed by liars.
UPDATE
This post prompted another old colleague to get in touch. On the bright side, the FCO have persuaded Boris he has to let the OPCW investigate a sample. But not just yet. The expectation is the inquiry committee will be chaired by a Chinese delegate. The Boris plan is to get the OPCW also to sign up to the “as developed by Russia” formula, and diplomacy to this end is being undertaken in Beijing right now.
I don’t suppose there is any sign of the BBC doing any actual journalism on this?
Of A Type Developed By Liars 101
16 Mar, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig
I have now received confirmation from a well placed FCO source that Porton Down scientists are not able to identify the nerve gas as being of Russian manufacture, and have been resentful of the pressure being placed on them to do so. Porton Down would only sign up to the formulation “of a type developed by Russia” after a rather difficult meeting where this was agreed as a compromise formulation. The Russians were allegedly researching, in the “Novichok” programme a generation of nerve agents which could be produced from commercially available precursors such as insecticides and fertilisers. This substance is a “novichok” in that sense. It is of that type. Just as I am typing on a laptop of a type developed by the United States, though this one was made in China.
To anybody with a Whitehall background this has been obvious for several days. The government has never said the nerve agent was made in Russia, or that it can only be made in Russia. The exact formulation “of a type developed by Russia” was used by Theresa May in parliament, used by the UK at the UN Security Council, used by Boris Johnson on the BBC yesterday and, most tellingly of all, “of a type developed by Russia” is the precise phrase used in the joint communique issued by the UK, USA, France and Germany yesterday:
This use of a military-grade nerve agent, of a type developed by Russia, constitutes the first offensive use of a nerve agent in Europe since the Second World War.
When the same extremely careful phrasing is never deviated from, you know it is the result of a very delicate Whitehall compromise. My FCO source, like me, remembers the extreme pressure put on FCO staff and other civil servants to sign off the dirty dossier on Iraqi WMD, some of which pressure I recount in my memoir Murder in Samarkand. She volunteered the comparison to what is happening now, particularly at Porton Down, with no prompting from me.
Separately I have written to the media office at OPCW to ask them to confirm that there has never been any physical evidence of the existence of Russian Novichoks, and the programme of inspection and destruction of Russian chemical weapons was completed last year.
Did you know these interesting facts?
OPCW inspectors have had full access to all known Russian chemical weapons facilities for over a decade – including those identified by the “Novichok” alleged whistleblower Mirzayanov – and last year OPCW inspectors completed the destruction of the last of 40,000 tonnes of Russian chemical weapons
By contrast the programme of destruction of US chemical weapons stocks still has five years to run
Israel has extensive stocks of chemical weapons but has always refused to declare any of them to the OPCW. Israel is not a state party to the Chemical Weapons Convention nor a member of the OPCW. Israel signed in 1993 but refused to ratify as this would mean inspection and destruction of its chemical weapons. Israel undoubtedly has as much technical capacity as any state to synthesise “Novichoks”.
Until this week, the near universal belief among chemical weapons experts, and the official position of the OPCW, was that “Novichoks” were at most a theoretical research programme which the Russians had never succeeded in actually synthesising and manufacturing. That is why they are not on the OPCW list of banned chemical weapons.
Porton Down is still not certain it is the Russians who have apparently synthesised a “Novichok”. Hence “Of a type developed by Russia”. Note developed, not made, produced or manufactured.
It is very carefully worded propaganda. Of a type developed by liars.
UPDATE
This post prompted another old colleague to get in touch. On the bright side, the FCO have persuaded Boris he has to let the OPCW investigate a sample. But not just yet. The expectation is the inquiry committee will be chaired by a Chinese delegate. The Boris plan is to get the OPCW also to sign up to the “as developed by Russia” formula, and diplomacy to this end is being undertaken in Beijing right now.
I don’t suppose there is any sign of the BBC doing any actual journalism on this?
not-bono-ever
meh
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That would be one possibility. The absence of it , as far as we can see anyway, should not be taken as proof that this def wasn't what happened. I'm sure you can think of many reasons to hold back on that course of action in the short term.
