George & Bill
semiotically superfluous
That's good, but tediousness and irrelevance are already being practiced with considerably greater originality elsewhere.
Angel pub on Coldharbour Lane becomes arty community space run by Brick Box
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That's good, but tediousness and irrelevance are already being practiced with considerably greater originality elsewhere.
editor
hiraethified
Don't be silly! Surely even the riff raff can afford costume hire for the £40 bash, else they can pop down to the nearest pop-up vintage store in the Villaaage and bag themselves something rather dandy for the night.
Brick Box are supposed to be a community interest company, but I'm buggered if I can find them on opencorporates.com
Also, part of the deal of CIC's is that they cannot be "be set up to serve an unduly restrictive group"
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_interest_company#Legal_forms_and_social_objectives)
Also, part of the deal of CIC's is that they cannot be "be set up to serve an unduly restrictive group"
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_interest_company#Legal_forms_and_social_objectives)
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Ha, you're still trying to dismiss the whole thing and brush it aside by restating your lies. However much evidence I present, it'll never be enough. It's exactly like trying to talk to a homeopath.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Would 'total lack of interest in what you wacky cunts are up to' constitute a restriction in that sense though? I imagine it's technically open to anyone.
Vibrant-Hubb
Active Member
An evening for middle class thieves with zero self-awareness of their sense of entitlement and zero cultural sensitivity will be well attended no doubt.
The tickets to the sea are one way. It'll be a nice day out. Brixton - you can leave... and you can leave... and just go will you... you are in the way now.
The tickets to the sea are one way. It'll be a nice day out. Brixton - you can leave... and you can leave... and just go will you... you are in the way now.
boohoo
No.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
You are Mr. Charles Pooter and I claim my £5.
George & Bill
semiotically superfluous
George & Bill
semiotically superfluous
So, maybe it means for the community that will be there in future.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I have been going to the Albert since early 1980s so think I can voice an opinion on it. This review is utter bollocks.
Things change in Brixton. When I first started using it it was almost empty. Three men and a dog kind of place. Became really popular later on. It was always sneered at for being "middle class" back in those days by denizens of The Railway.
This review is yet another attack on it in similar vein. Think I can guess who wrote it.
Always was a pub still is a pub and has managed to survive as genuine local.
George & Bill
semiotically superfluous
So, what personally erks me is that such venues are established and frequented by people who think they're terribly in-touch and progressive, but the effect is actually social division.
editor
hiraethified
Except the Offline nights are very well attended by old Brixton regulars, they're run by some long term Brixton residents, the acts are often Brixton-based, and they're free and open to all.
So 'scuse me if I'm not seeing the apparently obvious parallels with a £40 private supper club night for the vintage dressing up crowd.
editor
hiraethified
Last one left on Coldharbour Lane I'd say, after the demise of the Angel.
editor
hiraethified
Brick Box describes themselves as a "community movement" who are a "Community Interest Company" intending to create 'a key community space for the future' at the venue.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I had a look at the Brick Box website "About Us" to see what they are on about. As another poster has said they are a "Community Interest Company".
http://www.thebrickbox.co.uk/about-us.html
They are setting themselves a tall order here. Apart from saying its non hierarchical I do not see how in practical terms it is supposed to work. I like art/film ,and I think it has important place in society, but the claims made for the transformative use of art by BB are incorrect. Art can represent social problems but not transform them. Transforming them is politics.
"Weaving art into daily happenings". Breaking down the barriers between the artwork and audience ( whatever art form it is-theatre , cinema) was something that was meant to make art more relevant and get the audience out of there passivity as spectators. To make art that gets people to want to change society rather than be passive spectators of art. Came in during the 60s.
They also say that places that are rough and ready "where the street drinkers hang out" are more there inspiration.
The first thought that comes into my head is that in a way this thread is , under there definition of art, part of the artwork that will take place this Saturday. If I was them I would have it printed out and placed in one of there rooms. And I am not being sarcastic here. I mean this. Could be positive thing.
The second is that there use of the Angel becomes part of the street life itself in ways that I do not think they are analysing themselves. Despite there view that art and real life should intermingle there is still in there piece below an assumption that there art is somehow superior to everyday interactions. Its the artist who can "birth" ideas from everyday life. So it is still a top down view of the artist. Its not seeing everyday life as something to marvel at in itself.
Thirdly I would suggest they go out and look at and record the areas of Brixton that are in "forgotten corners". For example some the people which Mrs Magpie has posted up about on her estate . Those people I meet who are borderline street drinkers or the Romanian Big Issue seller I know. Could make up an interesting exhibition. It is something that artists have done. There is crossover between art and documenting events.
http://www.thebrickbox.co.uk/about-us.html
They are setting themselves a tall order here. Apart from saying its non hierarchical I do not see how in practical terms it is supposed to work. I like art/film ,and I think it has important place in society, but the claims made for the transformative use of art by BB are incorrect. Art can represent social problems but not transform them. Transforming them is politics.
"Weaving art into daily happenings". Breaking down the barriers between the artwork and audience ( whatever art form it is-theatre , cinema) was something that was meant to make art more relevant and get the audience out of there passivity as spectators. To make art that gets people to want to change society rather than be passive spectators of art. Came in during the 60s.
They also say that places that are rough and ready "where the street drinkers hang out" are more there inspiration.
The first thought that comes into my head is that in a way this thread is , under there definition of art, part of the artwork that will take place this Saturday. If I was them I would have it printed out and placed in one of there rooms. And I am not being sarcastic here. I mean this. Could be positive thing.
The second is that there use of the Angel becomes part of the street life itself in ways that I do not think they are analysing themselves. Despite there view that art and real life should intermingle there is still in there piece below an assumption that there art is somehow superior to everyday interactions. Its the artist who can "birth" ideas from everyday life. So it is still a top down view of the artist. Its not seeing everyday life as something to marvel at in itself.
Thirdly I would suggest they go out and look at and record the areas of Brixton that are in "forgotten corners". For example some the people which Mrs Magpie has posted up about on her estate . Those people I meet who are borderline street drinkers or the Romanian Big Issue seller I know. Could make up an interesting exhibition. It is something that artists have done. There is crossover between art and documenting events.
Our inspiration
We look for inspiration from the streets of the world; the places that are visceral and rough and ready; where the street drinkers hang out; where the bins are kept. We are looking for opportunities to express, explore and experiment away from the restrictions and expectations of traditional arts settings and we embrace the sounds, smells and challenges of being in (extra) ordinary everyday environments.
Who we are
We are a ‘ground up’ arts organisation and community movement made up of artists, dreamers, hopers and no hopers.
Our core beliefs
We believe there is magic to be found and created in everyday life, even in the dourest of situations, and that the arts can provide transformative tools and essential inspiration in order to improve social, emotional, economic and cultural health for all
Our aims
We aim to break the arts out of traditional institutions and create artistic experiences in unusual, non-traditional, under-used and / or abandoned spaces. It is the forgotten corners, the ‘uncool’ areas, and the dark empty, ‘difficult’ places that we seek. It is here that we weave the arts in to daily happenings; it is here that different people meet, and it is here that ideas are forged and birthed from the fruitful tension between creativity and every day life.
editor
hiraethified
The one outside Sainsbury's? She's a lovely person.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Yes her the Roma. A real character. Often chat to her.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Read that and looked at link to CIC association. Still at a loss to fully understand what a CIC is. From this piece it sounds like its loosely defined. If you can persuade the regulator its a social good then you can get CIC status from what I see and there are some limitations on handing out dividends. Apart from that it can operate like any other business. I think the market traders have set one up. As the Council was going to outsource market mge.
From http://www.cicassociation.org.uk/archives/198
CICs can be not-for- profit, for-profit, co-operative, mutual, employee led, limited by guarantee, limited by share, a PLC. Some can issue golden and preference shares, be volunteer led and pay market salaries. Uniquely it allows individuals to frame their efforts for community change, irrespective of whether that community is local, regional, national or international. Many are far from the finished article but every one of them is a change-maker that UK PLC needs more than ever. CIC is being used by people from all spheres of society, from professionals looking to maintain a social provision,to community groups taking over local assets….. I’ll stop there but you get the point.
I do not get the point. Im a bit confused here. Sounds to me that CIC is like getting Fair Trade mark. Its a business but not quite as rapaciously Capitalist as some. Will Hutton was on radio arguing for socially responsible Capitalism a few days ago. Decent old liberal that he is. As opposed to the last 30 years of fuck you Capitalism. (Supported by the last governments both Labour and Tory). I suppose the CIC concept the last government brought in shows how fuck you Capitalism was the mainstream. The Quakers did CIC type business back in 19c but didnt call it that.
purves grundy
ambient clown remix
Hate to wade into what is clearly a local thread, but - and following from what Gramsci has written above - it pays to stay very wary of social enterprises /CICs etc. Some can be excellent, well-run and do some good stuff - but they remain enterprises, they still commodify whatever it is they're into, still have to force things which wouldn't previously have been on balance sheets into quantifiable form. Social enterprise - "Doing well by doing good" as someone vomit-inducingly described it to me the other day - is beginning to become better known even in Burma and I find it's effect to be thoroughly depoliticising.
As you were.
As you were.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
They are though. Which is why I'm so angry. They go on about stuff like being inspired by street drinkers and it's all a pile of pretentious wank dressed up as grassroots arts for all and it isn't.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Completely agree - my former employer used to be bona fide service providing charity, but when it got into financial difficulties around 2000 the social enterprise types picked at it like vultures, then took it over. It is now a property company "social enterprise serving the disabled community". Because it now gets no council grants the clique who run it no longer have to obey equal ops rules such as Lambeth Social services used to have in their "Conditions of Grant Aid". Employees are recruited without advertising, free "volunteers" (unpaid menial workers) are provided by Mencap Pathway, A&E etc who want their "clients" to get "work experience". Meanwhile the board have taken the power to pay themselves consultancies of £x thousand to draw up reports for developing the business. (As a charity formerly the board were the unpaid volunteers).
A corrupt and exploitative situation - not a nice place to work any more. Glad I left in retrospect.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
A4E?
George & Bill
semiotically superfluous
A4E, presumably
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Maybe they'll campaign to give them more drinking space outside The Ritzy
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Sorry I meant A4E - the employment trainers with have a branch in Bon Marché. Provide "The Work Programme" round here. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17161210Accident and Emergency?
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