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Anelka's quenelle

moono said:
I'll answer you again. You implied that the Palestinian cause was ' antisemitic '. I explained, again, that the contention is with neo-Zionism, a political doctrine, not Judaism. Palestinians and Jews are well capable of co-existence. Being opposed to ethnic-cleansing does not constitute anti-jewishness. Neither does being opposed to unhealthy social restraints - such as the banning of body movements.
Could you define an anti-jewish gesture, please . Has the Football Association issued its list yet ?
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I did not. Answer my question:
Topic-wise, tell me the quennelle is not anti-semtic. Tell me the roman salute is just a movement of your body. Then i'll tell you what you are.
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If you cannot condemn this:

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Then, fuck you. You are no friend of anyone but anti-semites.
 
frogwoman said:
You are the reason ordinary people support (or at least wont condemn) israel moono.

You are not an anti Zionist. You are not a solidarity activist. You are my enemy.

The israeli state would never have the support it still does without people like you.
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You're quite mistaken. People do NOT support ethnic cleansing, murder, assassination, theft, kidnap and scorn for humanitarian and international law. People support what the idea of Israel was- not what it has become.
It's the memory of what that idea was which causes the victimization of over-enthusiastic footballers , not what is plainly evident in the majority of truthful media outlets world-wide.
 
I said that people support the idea of what Israel was. I didn't say that they understood Zionism and what it intended. They made a gesture- in a blood-rush- just like Anelka did.
 
moono said:
You're quite mistaken. People do NOT support ethnic cleansing, murder, assassination, theft, kidnap and scorn for humanitarian and international law. People support what the idea of Israel was- not what it has become.
It's the memory of what that idea was which causes the victimization of over-enthusiastic footballers , not what is plainly evident in the majority of truthful media outlets world-wide.
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What are the truthful media outlets world-wide showing proper zionism? List them and we'll check the fuckers out.
 
moono said:
You're quite mistaken. People do NOT support ethnic cleansing, murder, assassination, theft, kidnap and scorn for humanitarian and international law. People support what the idea of Israel was- not what it has become.
It's the memory of what that idea was which causes the victimization of over-enthusiastic footballers , not what is plainly evident in the majority of truthful media outlets world-wide.
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Dieudonne and Alain Soral don't give two shits about the Palestinians and doing the quenelle outside Auschwitz is no more a protest against zionism than putting strips of bacon by a mosque is a protest against Saudi Arabia.

You stupid fucking cunt, fuck off back to the hole you crawled out of.
 
frogwoman said:
Dieudonne and Alain Soral don't give two shits about the Palestinians and doing the quenelle outside Auschwitz is no more a protest against zionism than putting strips of bacon by a mosque is a protest against Saudi Arabia.

You stupid fucking cunt, fuck off back to the hole you crawled out of.
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You're a shade behind post #2781 as well.
 
moono said:
Not at all. I can't answer an impossible enquiry. I cannot be certain of what anybody thinks - and neither can anybody else. We can only try to interpret actions. Has this Frenchman harmed any jewish people ?
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I'm not asking you to say what anyone thinks. That's just stupid avoidance bollocks on your part. We draw conclusions about people from what they say and do.

What's your conclusion on Dieudonne?
 
moono said:
Gestures are movements with meanings peculiar to the individual who employs them. Romans, for example, had they used what we now term a ' Nazi ' salute were not proclaiming any dislike of Semites.
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So everything is purely about individual meaning, with no room for communication?

More avoidance bollocks.
 
The odd thing is that crass post they keep referring to says that gestures have meaning in context - the context for this gesture is anti-semitism - it's the anti=semitism that makes the gesture, that gives it it's power. Such basic semiotics is lost on our friend.
 
butchersapron said:
The odd thing is that crass post they keep referrding to says that gestures have meaning in context - the context for this gesture is anti-semitism - it's the anti=semitism that makes the gesture, that gives it it's power. Such basic semiotics is lost on our friend.
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I am not sure it is lost.

Only a zionist would accuse someone of antisemitism
 
moono said:
Here's a headline for state-sponsored Witch-finder Generals and the pompously hysterical;

Careful with that ducking-stool, Eugene.

My points, I believe.
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Oh good, you're weird too.

An old man joins a tiny team in what is a humiliating dropdown of leagues to gain the pres some fans.
 
....and hey, don't let any facts get in the way of a good burning;

Anelka denied his use of the sign was intended to be anti-Semitic, and the commission reported it did not find he was "an anti-Semite".
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