Anelka's quenelle

[ViolentPanda]

Surely you can't just form a belief about God, and what kind of God He is (ie 'not entirely good), just based on your own personal experiences though?

Isn't that exactly what a lot of "born again" Christians do, though, when they claim to have come to G-d through a personal epiphany?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Like Voldemort?

But that means VP does actually believe in G-d (the bastard etc).

Nope, I'm very firmly in the "there's no such thing as a deity" camp. I believe that we're here, we're finite, and that anything to do with "making a difference" has to be done by ourselves, rather than relying on some cosmic beardie to get a shift on and do things for us.
I don't scorn those who choose to believe (unlike some posters, I'm not a militant atheist), but I reserve the right not to be compelled to share their beliefs, too.

 

[ViolentPanda]

So VP is doing it out of respect for other Jewish readers? Or just in case God does exist and writing his name is more offensive than denying his existence?

If She/He/It exists, they're welcome to punish me for transgressing their writ, and won't I look foolish!

 

[frogwoman]

I also don't think you can judge people who lost their faith because of devastating experiences or because of what they had experienced flying in the face of the idea of a loving God and therefore deciding whether God existed, was good etc based on that. Under some circumstances I'd say it was a completely natural reaction to have.

 

[Casually Red]

but I reserve the right not to be compelled to share their beliefs, too.

yes, because thats likely to happen on Urban, or to a grown adult in general

 

[cesare]

so start one then.

I just spotted your little blue "here" on page 2 or 3 which led me to the thread about the kid killed in Paris by yer man Batskin's mob.

This was really significant, but I didn't spot it and afaik you chose not to respond to me question 'who the fuck is batskin whwen he is at home'. Why could you not just post a proper (as in big, too big to miss) link instead of that? That would have been really helpful.

It's not his fault you missed it.

 

[Edie]

Isn't that exactly what a lot of "born again" Christians do, though, when they claim to have come to G-d through a personal epiphany?

Yes! I'm currently having a problem with it.

 

[Edie]

If She/He/It exists, they're welcome to punish me for transgressing their writ, and won't I look foolish!

I'm asking you why you do it?

 

[phildwyer]

I'm a non-observant cultural Jew.

What does that mean?

Is your family Jewish?

 

[Edie]

What does that mean?

Is your family Jewish?

Of course his family is Jewish.

 

[FNG]

jew sniffing again phil?

 

[ViolentPanda]

What does that mean?

it means I don't go to synagogue, to listen to someone recount lore to me, because I'm not a "believer". I'm not into pretending to be something I'm not just to fulfil a social obligation.
I do, however, identify with the cultural history of European Jewry - with our secular history and achievements, our art and scholarship.
I'm sure your good friend rachamim, who also claimed to be a non-observant secular Jew (among other things), has explained this stuff to you?

Is your family Jewish?

My mother is a non-observant Jew, as are my younger siblings. My grandmother and her mother were mildly-observant (equivalent to "births, wddings and funerals" Christians, but with added bacon-revilement). My older brother is a church-going Anglican and my father is a militant atheist on account of his own mother having been a "bible-thumper".

 

[ViolentPanda]

jew sniffing again phil?

He's the Heeb-sniffer Pursuivant.
Just remember: Whatever you think you know, phil knows better, mmkay?

 

[frogwoman]

My dad's family is completely non observant apart from my grandad and and some of their distant relatives. Fuck knows where I got it from

 

[ViolentPanda]

My dad's family is completely non observant apart from my grandad and and some of their distant relatives. Fuck knows where I got it from

Like I've said, everyone needs to believe in something, whether it's themselves, a deity or a cause, or any combination of the above. There's nothing wrong with doing so, until and unless it becomes pathological.

 

[frogwoman]

Judeo-bolshevism

 

[Greebo]

My dad's family is completely non observant apart from my grandad and and some of their distant relatives. Fuck knows where I got it from

Some things skip a generation or two.

 

[phildwyer]

Of course his family is Jewish.

I think not.

 

[J Ed]

I think not.

So you have the authority to decide not only who is a fascist and who isn't but who is and isn't Jewish?

 

[phildwyer]

My grandmother and her mother were mildly-observant

Where?

 

[phildwyer]

So you have the authority to decide not only who is a fascist and who isn't but who is and isn't Jewish?

Are you conducting this interrogation now?

 

[Casually Red]

Where?

at the fucking Ancient Order of Hibernians social club . Where do you think ?

 

[Frances Lengel]

aint nothing wrong with Morning Has Broken as a tune.

Cat Stevens/Yussef Islam does this minted version:

Guy invented electro. Cat Stevens of all people - He made it all possible.

 

[J Ed]

So a bloke can say I'm not an anti-semite and we have to take their word for it despite anti-semitic behaviour otherwise we are acting like fascists but it's alright to analyse someone's ancestry to determine whether they are Jewish since you can't just take their word for it.

 

[phildwyer]

at the fucking Ancient Order of Hibernians social club . Where do you think ?

I think you're right.

 

[Casually Red]

Guy invented electro. Cat Stevens of all people - He made it all possible.

whats electro ? Is it that rave shit ?

was that his fault ?

 

[cesare]

So a bloke can say I'm not an anti-semite and we have to take their word for it despite anti-semitic behaviour otherwise we are acting like fascists but it's alright to analyse someone's ancestry to determine whether they are Jewish since you can't just take their word for it.

We need to identify the "proper" Jews now there's no such thing as the far right, and the fucking far left has been closed. Obv.

 

[Edie]

Where?

Are you conducting this interrogation now?

Phil, no, you mustn't do that. Stop. It's rude and fucking offensive.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Where?

At the synagogue, and at home.

 

[savoloysam]

Right Edie since you asked about what i believe, I have no idea in all honesty whether God exists or not, there's no proof that he does or doesn't. I have had experiences I can't explain though. I think he probably does exist to be honest, there was a time in my life when I was seriously on the point of killing myself and I think that God stopped me doing it. I distinctly heard something telling me not to do it and I've never had anything like that before or since, I've had mental health problems but I don't hear voices or anything like that. In terms of what doctrines of religious theology, no fucking idea. I don't really think we are a 'chosen people' or anything like that and got no idea about heaven, hell, purgatory, reincarnation etc, I hope there is something when I die but there may not be, I think we should live like there is only one life and make the most of it. I know what I don't believe tho lol.

I don't think God is entirely good because he wasn't there when I needed him the most and for years after that I stopped believing completely. Got back into it again but not in the same way, a big reason why I do the stuff is because people died so I could do it and observing the stuff means I am honouring them. I know that sounds a bit morbid like. Another reason is because I find it comforting and I feel like it gives my life a bit of a structure and I need that, I also see doing a lot of the stuff as a challenge for example with eating etc and its helped me give a shit about eating healthily in general. All these reasons might sound a bit weird and to be honest I'm really not entirely sure about any of it, I try and be a good person and not be a cunt and that's all anyone can really do.

That's something was your powerful inner voice. Not some weird God. Amazing what your mind can do you for you when you need it the most.