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...and Yemen!

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0N01NZ20150409?irpc=932

This is horrible

LONDON (Reuters) - International shipping lines are being forced to scale back or suspend port calls to Yemen as the conflict gets worse, putting pressure on supplies of food as prices rise in local markets.

Yemen imports more than 90 percent of its food, including most of its wheat and all its rice, to feed a population of 25 million. Much of its needs had been serviced by foreign ships.

Saudi Arabia and Arab allies have launched air strikes against the Iran-allied Houthi movement, which has taken most of the country and forced President Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi to flee to Riyadh.

The coalition has deployed naval vessels to intercept ships carrying arms to the rebels, although merchant ships are meant to have free passage.

Most ports appear to be under Houthi control or are disputed by combatants. Many shipping companies are now unwilling to risk their vessels, industry sources say.

"Many of the owners and container lines are refusing to go to Yemen. You can still call at a number of ports but the fear factor is growing," an international commodities trade source involved in Yemen said.

The world's largest global shipping association, BIMCO, said: "If a port is taken/held by the Houthis and a ship is seen to be supplying the rebels, the ship could be at risk from air strikes or indeed naval action from the coalition."
 
Was it ever established that Ayatollah Khamenei's twitter account is official? If it is, he's being very forthright today about the Saudis.

https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir

I don't know but he can usually be counted on for fiery and unhelpful rhetoric. Scrolling down a bit I see multiple comments about the provisional nuclear agreement that would give no cause for optimism if he and Iran were one and the same. But despite his grand title etc, there are some differences, including factions that his rhetoric doesn't play well to that still matter and he knows it.

This did make me laugh:

Despite disputes,#Saudis used to display composure w us but now inexperienced #youngsters have come to power& replaced composure w barbarism

Youngsters? Well I suppose its relative but how can you say that about Saudi leaders with a straight face?
 
Pakistani Lawmakers Pass Resolution Urging Neutrality in Yemen Conflict

The Pakistani Parliament voted on Friday to stay out of the conflict in Yemen, but it urged the government led by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to play a diplomatic role in defusing the crisis.

Analysts in the Arab world saw the decision as a significant setback for Saudi Arabia, which is leading a campaign of airstrikes against the Iranian-backed Houthi movement in Yemen. Saudi Arabia, a major donor to Pakistan, had incorrectly advertised Pakistani participation in the campaign from the night it began more than two weeks ago....
 
A look at Saleh and the Houthis, including some interesting details from the period when Saleh was blown up. Plus detail that Saleh got Saudi help to fight the Houthi's in the past. And there was a massacre of hundreds of them after they surrendered.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/yemens-...-helps-propel-houthi-rebel-advance-1428704009

His former enmity toward the Houthis dates to 2004, when Hussein al-Houthi founded the rebel movement and started an uprising. Houthis belong to the Zaidi sect, a branch of Shiite Islam that accounts for 35% of Yemen’s 24 million people. Mr. Saleh is a Zaidi, but the Houthis nevertheless felt underrepresented in his government.

In fighting that summer, Mr. Houthi and 200 of his loyalists were rounded up in a cave and killed after surrendering to Mr. Saleh’s forces.

The cave is now a Zaidi pilgrimage site.

As the uprising intensified, Saudi forces intervened on Mr. Saleh’s side in 2009 and fought the Houthis for months. Then, as now, Saudi Arabia said its regional arch rival Iran was directing the Houthis as part of a larger plan for Shiite dominance of the Middle East.

U.S. and some Arab officials say the Houthis initiated the ongoing offensive on their own. And while Iran has helped train and arm the rebels, these officials say, most of their weapons come from Yemen’s black market.

Mr. Saleh put aside his rivalry with the Houthis after an explosion ripped through his palace mosque in 2011 as he prayed. The assassination attempt left Mr. Saleh with burns over 40% of his body, shrapnel wounds and a fractured skull.

People familiar with his thinking said Mr. Saleh blamed the Saudis directly for the attack and at other times accused Maj. Gen. Ali Mohsin al-Ahmar, a Yemeni military commander, of acting on their behalf.

“That’s when he decided to ally with the Houthis, to regain control of his status in Yemen,” an Arab diplomat said. “It’s the classic ‘the enemy of my enemy’ scenario. This is Saleh’s version of a counterrevolution.”

In early 2013, Mr. Saleh sent an emissary with a message for Abdel Malik al-Houthi, the rebel group’s current leader: “I’m sorry my forces killed your brother.”

The message, delivered during a three-hour meeting over tea and biscuits at Mr. Houthi’s house, blamed Gen. Ahmar, then Mr. Saleh’s top military adviser, for the death of the Houthi founder, saying the general had ignored orders to take him alive.
 

When attempting to verify, it became obvious that almost all of this sort of news is from the Saudi coalitions propaganda department. The claim that hundreds of Houthi were massing on the border was attributed to Brig. Gen. Ahmad Al-Asiri. I saw no useful followup in english, and the story instead changed to the one about the mortar attack and Saudi claims that they've killed 500 in the border region since the conflict began.
 
This did make me laugh:



Youngsters? Well I suppose its relative but how can you say that about Saudi leaders with a straight face?

He has a point though...the punter behind this mess prince Mohammed bin salman is estimated by some to be in his late 20 s. absolutely no prior governmental or military experience. Newly appointed defence minister who just goes and starts a war straight off . He's been gifted a number of roles..seems to be running the Saudi show .
 
He's got at least 5 years of direct political experience, and probably more indirect considering his fathers long political role.

Really hard to judge exactly who has the power and gets to make decisions. But I haven't seen anything that suggests he is actually running the show, although he certainly has plenty of influence and his dad is king.
 
How worried should we be?

I hope this doesn't come off in any way as a personal attack or criticism but I feel the need to ask....

You seem to ask this sort of question a lot these days, increasingly in the last 6-12 months? I'm not exactly sure where you are coming from, meaning there are plenty of ways to express concern and solidarity, but that general fear and worry when applied to nasty situations does not necessarily help, especially when fear is used so much as part of propaganda. So when you ask about how worried we should be about something, I think I'd prefer to have more detail about exactly what scenarios you are getting at, what the context of your fears are exactly.

This is the BBC piece: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32341836
 
i don't think frogwoman means, "how worried should we in the west be for ourselves and the danger to our immaculately kept gardens?" i think she means "how worried should we be that a load more innocent people, many of them children with no idea what the fuck is going on around them, are going to be brutally murdered for no good reason in the coming days, weeks and months due to the deteriorating situation in (insert country)"
 
Sorry, i was in a rush and posting from a phone. What i am wondering is whether al-q will be able to hold onto the airport and get and maintain control of whats in it.
 
And also whether the story is even true or just a bid to get more support for external operations in yemen.
 
Sorry, i was in a rush and posting from a phone. What i am wondering is whether al-q will be able to hold onto the airport and get and maintain control of whats in it.

Probably, lets face it the pro-Hadi coalition isnt going to be bombing them anytime soon.
 
Thanks for the answers. I am in the middle of trying to get as much info as I can and will report back about any pertinent details that may be available, though I fear the info quality will remain quite crap.

More broadly, yes there are a number of reasons why we might be cynical about some uses of reporting about Al-q in Yemen. After all, its one of the few places left in recent years where the al-q brand is still treated as credible, at least by most western media. But typically far more effort has been spent murdering people with drones than in giving us a well rounded picture of what al-quaeda in Yemen is in reality.
 
So far most of the press articles are all more or less copies of an original wire story, with the same quotes from unnamed officials and a named local activist.

But I just found this, which gives a somewhat different impression.

http://www.worldbulletin.net/haberler/158016/armed-forces-abandon-east-yemen

The capture of much of eastern Yemen's oil-producing province by a newly-formed group of armed tribesmen and clerics has alarmed local officials, who say they fear the situation will be exploited by al Qaeda to expand.

In recent days, troops appear to have abandoned much of the eastern province of Hadramawt. Armed tribesmen took charge of an airport and an oil facility in the province's seaside capital Mukalla on Thursday.

"They have designated local youth from the area to set up checkpoints near the area of the oil fields and export terminal and near the Al-Rayyan airport," said a local official. "The security situation there and in Mukalla is now under control and calm."

Local politicians say the Council, now effectively the de facto ruling authority in the province, is separate from al Qaeda but includes some figures associated with al Qaeda in the past.

It negotiated with al Qaeda gunmen who appeared on the streets of Mukalla two weeks ago, and since then appears to have reached some kind of accommodation with them, although the nature of that relationship appears ambiguous.

An official in the province told Reuters: "A local committee (of tribesmen) was formed to administer Hadramawt, and this committee benefits al Qaeda."

Nasser Ba Quzquz, a left-wing politician in the provincial capital, said a new feeling of local solidarity should not extend to al Qaeda.

"Yes, these people are sons of Hadramawt, but they belong to a terrorist organisation. They kill people from Hadramawt, they rob banks and sow terror and fear."

OK thats much more like a picture I can start to understand.
 
i don't think frogwoman means, "how worried should we in the west be for ourselves and the danger to our immaculately kept gardens?" i think she means "how worried should we be that a load more innocent people, many of them children with no idea what the fuck is going on around them, are going to be brutally murdered for no good reason in the coming days, weeks and months due to the deteriorating situation in (insert country)"

Yes thats exactly what I mean. i dont think for a second that al-q are going to use this airport to bomb london. I am very concerned about all this focus on the houthis and iran making sectarian tensions a fuck of a lot worse and allowing al-q and ISIS a breathing space to go about their business at best unmolested and at worst actively assisted by states with more of an interest in fuelling a sectarian fire than doing something about these two groups. And i find the idea of jihadists like al-q and ISIS in control of aircraft, drones and the like extremely concerning as these guys dont seem to give a fuck about killing innocent people to fulfil their 'end times' prophecies and hold onto power at any cost whatsoever.
 
while they're not military drones they have just yet, daesh would not hesistate to use a military style one if they had it as a flying mine against lifting or landing civilian aircraft. Probably paranoia but I've been thinking for weeks that someones thought of that and will do it sooner or later.
 
For me such thinking helps the war on terror to be the self-fulfilling prophesy we know and hate. I'm sure it is still possible to send much ridicule in the direction of such fears while still managing to properly acknowledge the grim realities of life under extremists in a number of locations.

Even if they do something terrible with drones one day, I'm not giving them free terror by expressing anything other than ridicule for the concept in the meantime.
 
For me such thinking helps the war on terror to be the self-fulfilling prophesy we know and hate. I'm sure it is still possible to send much ridicule in the direction of such fears while still managing to properly acknowledge the grim realities of life under extremists in a number of locations.

Even if they do something terrible with drones one day, I'm not giving them free terror by expressing anything other than ridicule for the concept in the meantime.


Oh I'm not inventing a bogeyman or crediting the outfit with capabilities to cause sleeples nights- just when I think about how 'spectaculars' are done- both terrorist and criminal- they often rely on audacity and application of technologies once the preserve of regular militaries. With drones as use against civilian aircraft by terrorists I can't help think its going to happen, wether its daesh or whoever. You can't proliferate a tech this widely and expect it to not find use by bastards. Anyway- of topic from the yemeni situation, so apols to all.
 
As per the news article I linked to earlier, it is interesting to compare the impact of phrases when the term Al-Qaeda is interchanged with local tribesmen.

We are used to hearing of ISIS attempting to hold and manage territory, populations etc, and forming alliances with other groups when it suits. We are primarily used to hearing about Al Qaeda in the context of little more than terror attacks. Well I reckon that at least in east Yemen, probably need to be ready to apply more of the things we are used to considering with ISIS to whats being called Al Qaeda. These are after all dumb labels that discourage consideration of the entire concept of local populations, deals done between local powers not just external powers, insurgencies etc.
 
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