...and Yemen!
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elbows
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As I said on another thread, it's also a really crucial moment for Iran in terms of trying to get a nuclear deal that gets rid of some of the worst sanctions.
It seems that Thursday was a really important day on that front, as a deadline looms large regarding the nuclear stuff. The Iranian president was on the blower to lots of leaders, and Kerry & Co met an Iranian delegation. Events in Yemen added items to these agendas, to the extent that it would be tempting to believe the timing was deliberate. However actions on the ground in Yemen probably dictated the timing, since the situation rapidly deteriorated to the extent that its now been confirmed that Hadi fled to Saudi Arabia. Also just in time for him to attend a regional political conference in Egypt and make appeals.
I note that the talk is not just of bombing, but also of potentially putting troops on the ground, with Egypt recently confirming its up for it if deemed necessary.
It seems that Thursday was a really important day on that front, as a deadline looms large regarding the nuclear stuff. The Iranian president was on the blower to lots of leaders, and Kerry & Co met an Iranian delegation. Events in Yemen added items to these agendas, to the extent that it would be tempting to believe the timing was deliberate. However actions on the ground in Yemen probably dictated the timing, since the situation rapidly deteriorated to the extent that its now been confirmed that Hadi fled to Saudi Arabia. Also just in time for him to attend a regional political conference in Egypt and make appeals.
I note that the talk is not just of bombing, but also of potentially putting troops on the ground, with Egypt recently confirming its up for it if deemed necessary.
butchersapron
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh they've done that before of course
butchersapron
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Another maybe useful backgrounder (author was Middle east editor at guardian for ages):
Yemen and Saudi Arabia: A historical review of relations
As political crisis turns into civil war, Yemen’s embattled president, Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi, has appealed for international help. Yemen’s northern neighbour, Saudi Arabia has already said it will "take necessary measures if needed” and today the kingdom is reported to be moving artillery and other heavy military equipment close to the border.
Almost constantly since its foundation in 1932, Saudi Arabia has been involved in Yemen politically, and sometimes militarily – often with negative consequences for Yemen. The article below looks at the history of this relationship
The Treaty of Taif, 1934
Yemen's civil war, 1962-1970
Yemeni unification, 1990
The Gulf War, 1990-91
Expulsions from Saudi Arabia
The oil factor
The border question
North-south war, 1994
The end of the border dispute
The Houthi rebellion
What next?
Yemen and Saudi Arabia: A historical review of relations
As political crisis turns into civil war, Yemen’s embattled president, Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi, has appealed for international help. Yemen’s northern neighbour, Saudi Arabia has already said it will "take necessary measures if needed” and today the kingdom is reported to be moving artillery and other heavy military equipment close to the border.
Almost constantly since its foundation in 1932, Saudi Arabia has been involved in Yemen politically, and sometimes militarily – often with negative consequences for Yemen. The article below looks at the history of this relationship
The Treaty of Taif, 1934
Yemen's civil war, 1962-1970
Yemeni unification, 1990
The Gulf War, 1990-91
Expulsions from Saudi Arabia
The oil factor
The border question
North-south war, 1994
The end of the border dispute
The Houthi rebellion
What next?
butchersapron
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Also might interest some:
Remembering Change Square
This modest photo book also available for free as a pdf recalls a time in Sana’a’s Change Square when people dared to dream, a time when they did extraordinary things because they believed in their own strengths, talents, creativity, and resilience.
The preservation of this collective consciousness is essential not only for an accurate portrayal of history, but also to sustain hope and inspire future generations. Just as the 2011 revolution was an extension of previous acts of resistance, the future will surely build on the shared memories of that year.
The following photos were taken over a one-year period, beginning in February 2011 and ending in February 2012. Without any manipulation of the photographs, the images were selected primarily based on their ability to capture a range of activities inside the square, rather than their artistic qualities or technical composition.
Remembering Change Square
This modest photo book also available for free as a pdf recalls a time in Sana’a’s Change Square when people dared to dream, a time when they did extraordinary things because they believed in their own strengths, talents, creativity, and resilience.
The preservation of this collective consciousness is essential not only for an accurate portrayal of history, but also to sustain hope and inspire future generations. Just as the 2011 revolution was an extension of previous acts of resistance, the future will surely build on the shared memories of that year.
The following photos were taken over a one-year period, beginning in February 2011 and ending in February 2012. Without any manipulation of the photographs, the images were selected primarily based on their ability to capture a range of activities inside the square, rather than their artistic qualities or technical composition.
butchersapron
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BBC documentary, Yemen: The Rise of the Houthis
MERIP do a short to-the-point update piece:
Operation Decisive Storm and the Expanding Counter-Revolution
MERIP do a short to-the-point update piece:
Operation Decisive Storm and the Expanding Counter-Revolution
teqniq
DisMembered
Things are not necessarily going the way the Saudis want, at least at the moment.
Yemeni Houthi fighters in tanks reach central Aden
Yemeni Houthi fighters in tanks reach central Aden
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
http://merip.org/mero/mero032015 heres another merip piece
J Ed
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butchersapron
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The journo who made it (Safa Al Ahmad,) also made Saudi's Secret Uprising: The growing Saudi protest movement that's been hidden from the world last year.
klang
klang
Yes, very interesting. Thanks ba.
teqniq
DisMembered
There are lots of tweets of foreign ground troops arriving in Aden and there's this analysis of ground operations.
butchersapron
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Certainly were big protests yesterday,don't know about today - big immediate story seems to be sandstorm. Two horrible storms for one.
elbows
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Well there goes the presidential palace in Aden, stormed by the Houthi.
The report of troops is being downplayed, with numbers such as 'dozens' at most, and the suggestion that they are foreign troops, most often suggested to be Chinese, going in to evacuate some of their nationals.
eg: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32157994
The report of troops is being downplayed, with numbers such as 'dozens' at most, and the suggestion that they are foreign troops, most often suggested to be Chinese, going in to evacuate some of their nationals.
eg: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32157994
klang
klang
@Terror_Monitor: #Yemen - Thousands of #Yemenis Demonstrate In Capital #Saana Against The #Saudi Lead Bombardment Of Their Country.
That looks like a lot of people, anyone else got independent verification? Press TV is the Iranian news service
apparently demos in sana'a and taiz today. don't know about numbers or anything, phone lines are really bad atm.
klang
klang
from friday 02.04.15:
'things are very bad here. sana'a is under heavy bombardment. bombs have been falling for 8 days now. the airport is shut, we don't get medications or other essential goods. it's difficult to say how many civilian casualties there are, but it's too many. people live in constant fear, especially children are suffering, mentally and physically. at the moment it is too much of a risk to leave the house and go out on the streets. not only because of the saudi air raids but also because of gunmen and potential suicide bombers. nobody in the arab world ever cared about yemen and now this...i don't see a way out.'
'things are very bad here. sana'a is under heavy bombardment. bombs have been falling for 8 days now. the airport is shut, we don't get medications or other essential goods. it's difficult to say how many civilian casualties there are, but it's too many. people live in constant fear, especially children are suffering, mentally and physically. at the moment it is too much of a risk to leave the house and go out on the streets. not only because of the saudi air raids but also because of gunmen and potential suicide bombers. nobody in the arab world ever cared about yemen and now this...i don't see a way out.'
butchersapron
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Watching eastern Saudi Saudi...
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Mi...st.ashx?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Iran deploys warships off yemens coast
Iran deploys warships off yemens coast
klang
klang
last time a war ship was stationed off the south coast things went nasty.....
trabuquera
Modesty Bag
I'm probably missing the big picture altogether, but can't really get my head around Saudi (one of world's richest countries) bombing Yemen (one of world's worst-off countries) given the historically very close links between Yemeni and Saudi elites and 'Arab unity' and all that. Surely Shia/Houthi Yemenis already hate the al Sauds on sectarian grounds and now even the Sunni Yemenis mute hate them for being warmongering despots rotten with oil money?
teqniq
DisMembered
It's partly because their approved poster boy has been ousted by the Houthis and also because the Houthis are a Shia sect who rightly or wrongly the Saudis believe are backed by Iran (though they deny this). As far as Sunni Yemenis are concerned the Houthis are unacceptable therefore large contingents of them especially in the south have allied themselves with the Al-Quaeda affiliate in Yemen (that is if they weren't already allied). That is the bare bones of it, yet another clusterfuck.
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
houthi aren't going to stop at the current border is why, they want the old shia kingdom territory back and the saudis certainly don't want that and they don't want their own shia population to start getting ideas either
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32229316
US warns Iran on support for the houthis
Kerry says that the Iranians are giving the houthis support. I've read a few things that suggest otherwise?
US warns Iran on support for the houthis
Kerry says that the Iranians are giving the houthis support. I've read a few things that suggest otherwise?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
would they really do such a thing while they are still trying to negotiate a lifting of sanctions?
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