sleaterkinney
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What I would like to see is that when someone in the defence gets the ball there should be someone - be it Relahni, flimsier or BH available for a short simple pass out, cos the alternative is just hoofing and hoping.
Alternative Euro 2004: U75 Team Needed
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Brixton Hatter
Home is south London mate
great effort by everyone on the team last night, nice one. 
There was no way we were outclassed. Although it finished 6-2 (did it? I thought it was 5-2...
) we shouldn't be disheartened. We created enough chances to score 4 or 5 - and a few of their goals were fairly lucky (like the first one when the guy was able to take advantage of the fact that I'd slipped over on the ground) and one was an unlucky penalty.
So I'm a bit gutted about the score. I'm also gutted about playing on a shite pitch. I hope to fuck we don't have to play there on Sunday cos that surface is absolutely appalling. Why did they choose to play on that sloping razed bit of dirt puntuated with clumps of grass, when we were surrounded by a beautifully flat, freshly mown, empty park? Injury City and bobble-tastic that pitch is.
This is also another reason for not playing the long ball (which we did loads - to our detriment). Every time we played a long ball we stretched the team out and made a mockery of all the stuff we worked so hard on in training, like 2 touch passing etc. We did not move as a unit. Defenders should move forward when appropriate and strikers should drop back when appropriate. We're a team, not three separate units, which is what it felt like at times. (And remember that last night we were playing 9 a side. Sunday is 7 a side so we'll have to play differently, we'll have different formation etc. )
I also thought we agreed to play the ball out from the back, draw the opposition in to create space etc - we didn't do this and we lost lots of possession because of it. This is not really a criticism of Tony - he often had nobody to pass it to.
While I'm in getting-stuff-off-my-chest-mode I was also annoyed with that geezer who was on our team. A good player no doubt, but in the whole game I received TWO passes from him. TWO! And he was my fellow midfielder! The amount of chances he wasted too, when a simple ball to either myself, Flims or Chris would have done. Bah.
Like I said, it was a great effort by everyone, by I am totally gutted that we didn't do better.
Oh yeah, and I am not a midfielder.
There was no way we were outclassed. Although it finished 6-2 (did it? I thought it was 5-2...
) we shouldn't be disheartened. We created enough chances to score 4 or 5 - and a few of their goals were fairly lucky (like the first one when the guy was able to take advantage of the fact that I'd slipped over on the ground) and one was an unlucky penalty.So I'm a bit gutted about the score. I'm also gutted about playing on a shite pitch. I hope to fuck we don't have to play there on Sunday cos that surface is absolutely appalling. Why did they choose to play on that sloping razed bit of dirt puntuated with clumps of grass, when we were surrounded by a beautifully flat, freshly mown, empty park? Injury City and bobble-tastic that pitch is.
tony1798 said:
I thought the pitch was far too big for the number of players playing. If anything, that's the reason for the supposed "hole" in midfield. As a midfielder you're expected to cover the pitch from box to box. Even being as fit as I am (the fittest I've been for years) I couldn't keep up with the game and covering that distance literally every minute (still managed to cycle 10 miles home though). I don't suppose the strikers or defenders would have noticed this. Try it though, it's impossible.Rollem said:
This is also another reason for not playing the long ball (which we did loads - to our detriment). Every time we played a long ball we stretched the team out and made a mockery of all the stuff we worked so hard on in training, like 2 touch passing etc. We did not move as a unit. Defenders should move forward when appropriate and strikers should drop back when appropriate. We're a team, not three separate units, which is what it felt like at times. (And remember that last night we were playing 9 a side. Sunday is 7 a side so we'll have to play differently, we'll have different formation etc. )
I also thought we agreed to play the ball out from the back, draw the opposition in to create space etc - we didn't do this and we lost lots of possession because of it. This is not really a criticism of Tony - he often had nobody to pass it to.
While I'm in getting-stuff-off-my-chest-mode I was also annoyed with that geezer who was on our team. A good player no doubt, but in the whole game I received TWO passes from him. TWO! And he was my fellow midfielder! The amount of chances he wasted too, when a simple ball to either myself, Flims or Chris would have done. Bah.
Like I said, it was a great effort by everyone, by I am totally gutted that we didn't do better.
Oh yeah, and I am not a midfielder.
Brixton Hatter
Home is south London mate
I know this is a criticism of me, but I was stuck between a rock and a hard place: a massive gap in midfield, a defence that wouldn't push up, an inability to win the ball in midfield - I was trying to compensate. A right back's job is to push up along the wing and support the midfield (as well as defend.... i know).Relahni said:
We're gonna need to think about this for Sunday cos we can't play a traditional defence-midfield-attack formation with only 7 players.
Numbers
an ting!
Good post BH. it's all down to fitness as you say. most of the time there is no outlet to let the ball out to, like flimiser and gaffer have said, we need to get to the ball first, make ourselves available, we are/very static too often.
but Sunday should be different, better/smaller pitch, short games and 4 of them, we will have opportunity to correct our wrongs.
Gwan Urban75 7-a-side
but Sunday should be different, better/smaller pitch, short games and 4 of them, we will have opportunity to correct our wrongs.
Gwan Urban75 7-a-side
Brixton Hatter said:
I thought we were going to try and keep it tight at the back. Which half did we look more solid at the back? First or second?
It's a problem though, what do we do - go hell for leather and expose the keeper or play it tight and be lightweight in the middle and up front?
If we play like we did in the first half, I'm fucked if I'm staying back, if we play like we did in the second half, we'll put a lot of pressure on our midfielders - they'll have to work harder.
Rollem
two kinds of wonderful
sorry, i cant ignore this as hard as i tryBrixton Hatter said:
no offence, but you have said this before, yet you stayed in defence for a whole..ooh five minutes from my reckoning. i know you were pushing up to support midfield and pressure the opposition, but you never seemed to track back. looked like playing in midfield to me, sorrythe pitch did seem a tad long, not sure the size will be that different on sunday though....
i dont like the long ball particulalry either, just looked a bit lazy at times. agree we need to push more form the back, keep it simple and play passes. tony needs to be able to pass it out to defenders, which wasnt always possible
anyway, like i've said, i was actually pleased with us yetrday. we were equal to them in skill i reckon, give or take point or two. their advantage was their organisation, and it became clear they have played together ra lot more then we have. sunday will be a different kjeetle of fish. we CAN wina nd game and am confident we will too. firs tgame is what its all about. heads up, chests out let them think we're juventus innit
Rollem said:sorry, i cant ignore this as hard as i try
That's what I was getting at, no criticism - observation that a right defenders first job is to defend - we were caught out loads down that flank early on as there was no-one there to defend us.
No right sided defender and two right sided midfielders.
Numbers
an ting!
It's one of them catch 22's mate. I think cos we haven't got an out and out striker we deploy midfielders up front. if we had flimsier & filter in midfield tracking back and pushing forward with a proper target man - we wouldn't need your good self to push up - but we haven't and we do.
How I think we should play.
3 at the back yes. 2 in the middle yes. 1 up front yes. in the first half last night it was loose at first cos of reasons I've already mentioned. i.e. LD was too far out on the left and not really in touch with the play, instead was concentrating more on his position on the left. cos we told him to. all LD needs to be aware of is if someone is attacking on the left. otherwise he can pull in tighter, as can sleater on the right side. this then allows you to push up to a sweeper role, still in touch with defence but creating an obstruction for them so they can't break fast. when they are attacking and you've pulled back into position then normal services resumed. flat 3 across the back. it only needs 2 players at the back, with a 3rd (sweeper) dropping back when they are populating our 3rd of the pitch. and as BH has mentioned, if say Ringo is on the right with the ball, under pressure etc.. the right back needs to push up to give him an outlet, still leaves 2 at the back, tight enough...............
I can't finish this cos it's too hard to get it across correctly typing it. I do have a lovely sheet in front of me tho' with team/positioning/movement etc.. but have no scanner here.
We all love football enough to understand what we need to do.
How I think we should play.
3 at the back yes. 2 in the middle yes. 1 up front yes. in the first half last night it was loose at first cos of reasons I've already mentioned. i.e. LD was too far out on the left and not really in touch with the play, instead was concentrating more on his position on the left. cos we told him to. all LD needs to be aware of is if someone is attacking on the left. otherwise he can pull in tighter, as can sleater on the right side. this then allows you to push up to a sweeper role, still in touch with defence but creating an obstruction for them so they can't break fast. when they are attacking and you've pulled back into position then normal services resumed. flat 3 across the back. it only needs 2 players at the back, with a 3rd (sweeper) dropping back when they are populating our 3rd of the pitch. and as BH has mentioned, if say Ringo is on the right with the ball, under pressure etc.. the right back needs to push up to give him an outlet, still leaves 2 at the back, tight enough...............
I can't finish this cos it's too hard to get it across correctly typing it. I do have a lovely sheet in front of me tho' with team/positioning/movement etc.. but have no scanner here.
We all love football enough to understand what we need to do.
Numbers
an ting!
You are right gaffer.
We just haven't played together long enough, that'll come in time. you'll see on Sunday cos we'll be playing several games against different opposition, as the day progresses we will play a lot better. a good early result to get us in the reckoning.
As for the pitch. it is a standard 7-a-side pitch, but we extended it quite a bit cos it was 9-a-side. so it was a fair bit wider and longer.
the goals are wicked tho'
We just haven't played together long enough, that'll come in time. you'll see on Sunday cos we'll be playing several games against different opposition, as the day progresses we will play a lot better. a good early result to get us in the reckoning.
As for the pitch. it is a standard 7-a-side pitch, but we extended it quite a bit cos it was 9-a-side. so it was a fair bit wider and longer.
the goals are wicked tho'
Rollem
two kinds of wonderful
heres the team for the first match.
------------------tony---------------------
sleater---------------------------ld rudeboy
-----------------relahni--------------------
ringo----------------------------------filter
-----------------flimsier--------------------
effectively, three at the back, but relahni pushing up when needed / possible, to support ringo and filter. ultimately a central defender though and must be first priority
ringo and filter in midifeld, with filter pretty much playing slightly ahead of ringo, in a more attacking role, feeding through and teaming up with flimiser where poss.
this is NOT necessarily cast in stone for the whole tournament by any means. brixton hatter gives choices in defence which in turns gives choices in midfield. but this IS the team for the first game.
everyone needs to be at the park for 10am, please. let me know if you would rather meet up at the tube or just there? PLEASE remember to bring food for the day. think energy think pasta and such like. and deffo plenty of fluids (water, not beer!!!) i will provide oranges for half times
hope you feel better soon rudeboy, nice one with the shin pads (ringo you need some too matey, maybe you can borrow flimsiers?) flimiser, no-one is saying "always " pass in any style. simply dont "always" pass the long ball.
tis gonna be good lads, tis gonna be good !
------------------tony---------------------
sleater---------------------------ld rudeboy
-----------------relahni--------------------
ringo----------------------------------filter
-----------------flimsier--------------------
effectively, three at the back, but relahni pushing up when needed / possible, to support ringo and filter. ultimately a central defender though and must be first priority
ringo and filter in midifeld, with filter pretty much playing slightly ahead of ringo, in a more attacking role, feeding through and teaming up with flimiser where poss.
this is NOT necessarily cast in stone for the whole tournament by any means. brixton hatter gives choices in defence which in turns gives choices in midfield. but this IS the team for the first game.
everyone needs to be at the park for 10am, please. let me know if you would rather meet up at the tube or just there? PLEASE remember to bring food for the day. think energy think pasta and such like. and deffo plenty of fluids (water, not beer!!!) i will provide oranges for half times
hope you feel better soon rudeboy, nice one with the shin pads (ringo you need some too matey, maybe you can borrow flimsiers?) flimiser, no-one is saying "always " pass in any style. simply dont "always" pass the long ball.
tis gonna be good lads, tis gonna be good !
, Ringo and myself can all get stuck in.
I can get stuck in aswell you know - fearless in the goal
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
Relahni said:
haha, forgot about that.. I remember being annoyed cos I forgot to apologise, and then I wondered why I needed to apologise.. too fucking polite.
got stuck in a bit more last night, and cos I'm a big lad, it was actually quite easy to force my way past people.. use every advantage we've got eh..
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