Alex Salmond accused (and then cleared) of sexual misconduct.

[andysays]

I hope everyone learns how to pronounce Alba properly, for the short period this party exists. It’s going to be a home for angry wee misogynists, but they can at learn learn how to say it right.

So how should we pronounce it?

Is it Al as in 'you can call me Alec' or as in 'All this focus on personalities doesn't really advance the cause of independence'?

 

[weepiper]

So how should we pronounce it?

Is it Al as in 'you can call me Alec' or as in 'All this focus on personalities doesn't really advance the cause of independence'?

It's not how you pronounce the 'al-', it's that it's three syllables. There's a helpful video here.

 

[redcogs]

Allapuh it is.

 

[cupid_stunt]

al buh

 

[danny la rouge]

So how should we pronounce it?

Is it Al as in 'you can call me Alec' or as in 'All this focus on personalities doesn't really advance the cause of independence'?

LearnGaelic Dictionary

Search the English to Gaelic LearnGaelic dictionary for words, phrases and idioms with audio sound files.

www.learngaelic.net

 

[redcogs]

If we cannae even agree on what to cah a country how can we become a self governing independent socialist nation? ;-D

 

[Wilf]

Those who vote Alba on the list shouldn't be labelled or autoregarded as misogynists though danny. Some will be of course, just as every political Party will contain and/or have supporters who are people of dubious character.

Will you not be considering casting for Alba?

But it is a party built around a 'sex pest and objectionable bully', to quote his legal defence.

 

[Pickman's model]

But it is a party built around a 'sex pest and objectionable bully', to quote his legal defence.

i wonder how many sex pests and objectionable bullies there are in scotland to lend salmond their support. i suppose we'll soon find out

 

[ska invita]

A vote for Alba isn't a vote for Salmond. But Independence needs progressed. Nicola sits on her hands and seems to ignore the base, but IS effective as an administrator, particularly around covid - hence my first vote.

What is Alba offering that the SNP isn't? Why is another independence party necessary?
Looks like a massive ego revenge vehicle for Alex and that's it - am curious to know what you see

 

[Pickman's model]

But Independence needs progressed.

no it doesn't

 

[danny la rouge]

What is Alba offering that the SNP isn't? Why is another independence party necessary?
Looks like a massive ego revenge vehicle for Alex and that's it - am curious to know what you see

That’s exactly what I see.

The novelist Val McDiarmid put it well: ‘It’s desperately sad. (Salmond) is a man who’s destroyed his own legacy; he’s rolling about the landscape like a wounded elephant
What we’re seeing here is wounded pride and revenge.’

 

[redcogs]

But it is a party built around a 'sex pest and objectionable bully', to quote his legal defence.

Ok, that's a view. Another one might be that Labour (for eg) is built around vile imperialist warmongers (Blair, Starmer, a long list comes to mind). Millions who are neither warmongers or hold imperialist mindsets vote for Labour.

 

[redcogs]

no it doesn't

Ultimately internationalism needs progressed, which I assume to be your point? if so, we agree.

 

[danny la rouge]

Ok, that's a view. Another one might be that Labour (for eg) is built around vile imperialist warmongers (Blair, Starmer, a long list comes to mind). Millions who are neither warmongers or hold imperialist mindsets vote for Labour.

But this party literally only exists because Salmond is throwing a big huff. The Labour Party existed initially to increase working class representation in Westminster. It had a reason. What is the reason for the Alba Party? There’s already two other list only nationalist parties. What does this bring? And why didn’t Sleepy Cuddles bring it to the SNP during the many years he was at the helm?

Remember it was under Salmond that the SNP ditched its anti NATO stance, developed a monarchy friendly policy, and so on.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

What is Alba offering that the SNP isn't? Why is another independence party necessary?
Looks like a massive ego revenge vehicle for Alex and that's it - am curious to know what you see

Because this is about competing personality cults: where policy differences are massively overblown to justify the former. Highly damaging outside of the bubble as the SNP had been working hard to give the appearance of being competent third way neoliberals replete with a veneer of ‘radical’ policy ideas for the more naive fans

 

[Wilf]

Ok, that's a view. Another one might be that Labour (for eg) is built around vile imperialist warmongers (Blair, Starmer, a long list comes to mind). Millions who are neither warmongers or hold imperialist mindsets vote for Labour.

What do you mean, 'that's a view'? Do you not share it?

Blair should be in a prison cell, Starmer is fucking useless, so what? If people in Scotland want another independence party, that's fine (of course). But don't build it round a sex pest and objectionable bully. Salmond was always going to do something like this, but in an era of #MeToo anybody joining Salmond's party should have a good look at themselves.

 

[Pickman's model]

What do you mean, 'that's a view'? Do you not share it?

Blair should be in a prison cell, Starmer is fucking useless, so what? If people in Scotland want another independence party, that's fine (of course). But don't build it round a sex pest and objectionable bully. Salmond was always going to do something like this, but in an era of #MeToo anybody joining Salmond's party should have a good look at themselves.

whoa there

what happened to saddam hussein should happen to tony blair.

 

[danny la rouge]

Because this is about competing personality cults: where policy differences are massively overblown to justify the former. Highly damaging outside of the bubble as the SNP had been working hard to give the appearance of being competent third way neoliberals replete with a veneer of ‘radical’ policy ideas for the more naive fans

Yup. Take a look at Scottish political twitter it’s all “I stand with Nicola” or “he’s back!” Nothing at all about aims and values.

 

[redcogs]

What is Alba offering that the SNP isn't? Why is another independence party necessary?
Looks like a massive ego revenge vehicle for Alex and that's it - am curious to know what you see

This argument is persuasive

TNS poll shows SNP 2nd votes wasted: Alan Bisset backs RISE for a Yes parliament

In response to today’s TNS poll, RISE is highlighting the fact that, for supporters of Scottish independence, their second ‘list’ vote will be wasted on the SNP due to the nature of Scotland’s elec…

bellacaledonia.org.uk

 

[danny la rouge]

I heard the HQ is going to be in John O’ Gropes.

 

[redcogs]

But this party literally only exists because Salmond is throwing a big huff. The Labour Party existed initially to increase working class representation in Westminster. It had a reason. What is the reason for the Alba Party? There’s already two other list only nationalist parties. What does this bring? And why didn’t Sleepy Cuddles bring it to the SNP during the many years he was at the helm?

Remember it was under Salmond that the SNP ditched its anti NATO stance, developed a monarchy friendly policy, and so on.

i do not doubt that salmond's motivations are less than pure, Along with all top politicos he's an ego the size of a bus and truly believes that what the Scottish people really want is him.

But i suspect that substantial numbers know that and are firmly attached to a belief in a social democratic independent Scotland. And will vote Alba accordingly.

my personal motivation is to kick Boris's goons into touch, weaken the grip of the British state, and build some sort of socialist future.

 

[danny la rouge]

i do not doubt that salmond's motivations are less than pure, Along with all top politicos he's an ego the size of a bus and truly believes that what the Scottish people really want is him.

But i suspect that substantial numbers know that and are firmly attached to a belief in a social democratic independent Scotland. And will vote Alba accordingly.

my personal motivation is to kick Boris's goons into touch, weaken the grip of the British state, and build some sort of socialist future.

I have no doubt that a proportion of activists will give off to this party. But I’ll be extremely surprised if it gets anyone elected. Including Sleepy Cuddles.

 

[Wilf]

It's not so much his 'ego' though, is it? It's what he's done.

 

[redcogs]

The Labour Party existed initially to increase working class representation in Westminster. It had a reason.

Those who strongly support an independent Scotland also think there is a reason danny.

 

[danny la rouge]

Those who strongly support an independent Scotland also think there is a reason danny.

A reason not provided by the SNP or the two existing list only nationalist parties, AFI and ISP?

 

[killer b]

i do not doubt that salmond's motivations are less than pure, Along with all top politicos he's an ego the size of a bus and truly believes that what the Scottish people really want is him.

But i suspect that substantial numbers know that and are firmly attached to a belief in a social democratic independent Scotland. And will vote Alba accordingly.

my personal motivation is to kick Boris's goons into touch, weaken the grip of the British state, and build some sort of socialist future.

both the mindless optimism and base morals of the modern socialist on stark display in this post

 

[redcogs]

It's not so much his 'ego' though, is it? It's what he's done.

i dont disagree. But show me the Party which does not contain any really dodgy fuckers?

 

[steeplejack]

Desperate, bitter wee Eck tries to re-form the SNP of 25 years ago, roughly about the time he was last popular.

So that's Alba, ISP and AFI standing on the list and all competing for the fringe loon / GRA monomaniac / fundamentalist votes.

They can all get to fuck, frankly.

 

[Pickman's model]

i dont disagree. But show me the Party which does not contain any really dodgy fuckers?

the party of moderate progress within the bounds of the law

 

[redcogs]

both the mindless optimism and base morals of the modern socialist on stark display in this post

Modern socialist. WTF, im just about 70. And dont judge me you tosser.