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Albania steps in from the cold

Piero

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ALBANIA steps in from the cold (TRAVEL)

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/travel/story/0,,1749456,00.html

At Le Caffe in Tirana the waiters wore smart red shirts and moved briskly round the coolly minimalist interior. Wall-to-ceiling windows looked out over an ornamental pool, and beyond that the greenery of Parku Rinia - 'Young People's Park' - where families were lazing in the sun. My G&T was ice-cold, served with lime. Not bad for a city generally considered a byword for hopeless backwardness.
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Guess that settles my debate to where I will be vacationing this summer...
 
Pity about all the Albanian women forced into prostitution - but a western tourist can at least get his gin and tonic with ice and lemon. I'm sure most Albanians consider that progress.
 
Check out Robert Carvers "The accursed Muntains" to ge some idea of what Albania is like- it may describe early 1990's Albania, but outside Tirhana + Durres,I believe you may find that little has changed since then :eek:
 
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/travel/story/0,,1749456,00.html


ARTICLE ^^^^

When I told people I was taking a short break in Albania, the general reaction was disbelief. Cut off from the world for nearly 50 years under the dictatorship of Enver Hoxha; liberated by a revolution in 1990, only to descend into anarchy and violence - 'depressed', 'dangerous' and 'corrupt' were a few of the descriptions that came up. But a fortnight ago British Airways began a new service to Tirana, and tour operators are taking an interest. Do they know something we don't?

First impressions were not good. The road from the airport was potholed and plagued by lunatic drivers. In the Hoxha years there were only 600 cars in the country, all owned by communist bigwigs; now there are thousands, but they are still a comparative novelty for both drivers and pedestrians. As we crawled through the darkness, cars barged past with their horns blaring and pedestrians wandered aimlessly into the road. Dust and exhaust fumes hung over the city like a cloud. What a bloody mess.

Things picked up a bit at the Hotel Brilant, a small, family run place in a side street near the parliament building with neat, clean rooms and a homely basement restaurant. And next morning I woke to a very different Tirana.




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Tirana 2004


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^^ albanian riviera
 
zoltan69 said:
Check out Robert Carvers "The accursed Muntains" to ge some idea of what Albania is like- it may describe early 1990's Albania, but outside Tirhana + Durres,I believe you may find that little has changed since then :eek:


Rating: - This Accursed Book
The first time I visited Albania there were no guidebooks available. I read some history books, but the most recent one available then was published in 1978.

The year was 1992 and the country had just opened up to foreigners. Living within swimming distance, in Corfu, Greece, from 1972-1974 had piqued my curiosity. At that time, no Americans were allowed to visit, due to the harsh policies of Enver Hoxha's severely Stalinist regime.

So my first trip to Albania was like jumping backward off a cliff: I had no idea what to expect until I landed. Once there, the beauty of the country and the generosity of the people blew me away. I am a photographer and in Albania I found my life's work, beginning a project to document the Albanian people, including those living in Kosova and Macedonia. Since 1992 I have spent almost a month each year in this region.

I had looked forward to reading Robert Carver's "The Accursed Mountains", but found so many inaccuracies and author prejudices that I could not possibly recommend this book to anyone seeking to learn more about Albania.

The author overuses such qualifiers as "reputed", "it was said", "widely believed" and "claimed". Was there no way he could have found out if these statements were true or not? The more I read of this book, the more annoyed I became. I was in Albania in 1996, the same year he wrote about, and it was hard to believe that we had traveled in the same country. Whereas he continually met "unsmiling" people wanting to rip him off, I had totally different experiences. Strangers invited me into their homes, fed me and put me up for the night-and refused to accept one lek for their kindness.

Some of his inaccuracies:

"Fifty thousand green card visas had been allocated to Albania on a lottery basis..." (p. 24):
50,000 is the total number of visas granted to all the countries allowed to apply, not just Albania.

"Maps only became legal in 1995...There weren't any for sale anywhere." (p. 29)
I was able to purchase a map of Albania at a kiosk in Skanderbeg Square in 1993.

"There was no driving test in Albania. You just paid the police $10 for a permit. Spectacular crashes were common." (p. 39)
Why not mention that, until 1991, most Albanians were not allowed to own a car? Wouldn't that be an interesting fact to impart?

"There was only one ship left [in Saranda]...a small rusted freighter" (p. 99)
That's strange, because, along with Durres and Vlore, Saranda is a major port and every time I've been there I've seen quite a few boats of all types in the harbor: Freighters, ferries that travel back and forth from Corfu, and fishing boats, among others.

"The police were out in force...collecting cash [bribes from bus drivers]" (p. 115).
I have traveled extensively on buses in Albania, and never was stopped for this reason.

"For Macedonia, you had to have a passport with no Greek stamps at all, or they wouldn't let you in." (p. 133)
Funny, but the Greek stamps on my passport have never kept me out of Macedonia.

"The US Treasury had apparently put five hidden raised serrations on each bill...to detect forgeries" (p. 150)
Please, can someone tell me when this was done?

"...my mistake was to risk taking a photo of the giant equestrian statue of Skanderbeg...Now is a bad time for people with cameras." (p. 157-162)
I have never had a problem taking photos anywhere in Albania. In pre-war Kosova, yes; the Serbs liked throwing their weight around. But in 1996 I was working on a project concerned with the fate of political prisoners in Albania and was able to photograph in former and current prisons and other places that would have been forbidden during the Hoxha regime.

"If a foreigner got a cab it cost $50 [to go to Rinas Airport]." (p. 328)
I have never paid more than $20, either coming or going from Rinas, until 2003, when the lek became based on the euro instead of the US dollar.

What bothered me most about this book was the author's treatment of women. It's obvious that he cares very little for feminists. However, he has no problem in describing the size ("enormous") of a woman's breasts, or lack thereof. He meets two "professional feminists" in Bajram Curri and gives them "no more than a 50-50 chance of getting to Tirana unviolated." It's as if he hopes something bad will befall these women. He tries to track them down in Tirana:
"...when I enquired at the various aid agencies no one had ever heard of them...All sorts of people were disappearing without trace in Albania that summer." (p. 267)
As if he really cared-or as if that were really happening.

The above quotes are taken from the hard cover version published in 1998. If you plan on traveling to Albania, or merely want to learn more about this strange and beautiful country, don't waste your money on this book. James Pettifer's "Blue Guide" is so much more useful. Edith Durham's "High Albania" and Lloyd Jones' "Biografi" are more informative about the Albanian people.

http://www.connectedglobe.com/cgi-l...eviews&ItemId=0719554594&templates=millennium
 
zoltan69 said:
Check out Robert Carvers "The accursed Muntains" to ge some idea of what Albania is like- it may describe early 1990's Albania, but outside Tirhana + Durres,I believe you may find that little has changed since then :eek:

Rating: - The accursed writer?!?
Antonie de Saint-Exupery said "I have no right to say or do anything that deminishes a man in his own eyes. What matters is not what I think of him but what he thinks about himself.
Hurting a man in his dignity is a crime".

Whoever appointed mr.Robert Carver to write a book about Albania,
must be satisfied with his work!
A great job he's done at telling the truth about Albania's Albanians and also a riveting job by making up stories about Albanians in general.

I am an Albanian,for example I have never been in Iceland, and if I had to write a book about Icelanders within a short time, you can imagine how accurate that book of mine would have been!!!

I must admit I found this book too offensive,too unfair but it is a book and books are meant to teach us something.Anything.And it is up to you dear readers what you're gonna learn from this particular book!!!

If mr.Robert Carver was appointed by whoever that is - to write another book about any other country I wish with all my heart to remind him of this adage "Two people stare from the same bar - one sees mud the other sees the stars".
And it is the STARS people are more interested than in the mud. Because stars are 'unreachable' while mud can be created anywhere!

http://www.connectedglobe.com/cgi-l...eviews&ItemId=0719554594&templates=millennium
 
Rating: - ethnocentric extraordinaire
Mr. Carver moves around Albania with the fear and distance typical of many western reporters who are uninterested in making a committment to understanding the local perspective. His western template is the perspective from which he sees and interprets the Albanians. In this sense, Mr. Carver's sense, they are a very bizzare people.

His contacts throughout the trip are with westerners, and in many cases missionaries. Missionaries, like the ones he describes, are also uninterested in making a committment to understanding the local perspective. Both the missionaries and Mr. Carver's stock and trade is finding "material" to exploit.

The one star is for writing: Mr. Carver is an artist. Unfortunately, his impressions of Albania were made from secondary accounts long before his arrival. His visit was to search for the data which would match his story.

Read anything by Mary Edith Durham to start seeing things from another perspective and to read from an author who respects her subject.

http://www.connectedglobe.com/cgi-l...eviews&ItemId=0719554594&templates=millennium
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Rating: - ethnocentric extraordinaire
Mr. Carver moves around Albania with the fear and distance typical of many western reporters who are uninterested in making a committment to understanding the local perspective. His western template is the perspective from which he sees and interprets the Albanians. In this sense, Mr. Carver's sense, they are a very bizzare people.

His contacts throughout the trip are with westerners, and in many cases missionaries. Missionaries, like the ones he describes, are also uninterested in making a committment to understanding the local perspective. Both the missionaries and Mr. Carver's stock and trade is finding "material" to exploit.

The one star is for writing: Mr. Carver is an artist. Unfortunately, his impressions of Albania were made from secondary accounts long before his arrival. His visit was to search for the data which would match his story.

Read anything by Mary Edith Durham to start seeing things from another perspective and to read from an author who respects her subject.

http://www.connectedglobe.com/cgi-l...eviews&ItemId=0719554594&templates=millennium


rather than cut n paste other peoples opinions, maybe you should tell us your experience of Albania ?
 
I went to Albania last summer. It was pretty and the people were very glam, but there were lots of little kids who followed you and tried to sell you things.
 
miss direct said:
I went to Albania last summer. It was pretty and the people were very glam, but there were lots of little kids who followed you and tried to sell you things.


As I say, Durazzo & Tir. are the the best sides of Albania - like a happy shopper version of Greece. Jump on the daily buses from Skandeberg Sq to Pristina, across the mountains & you will see the reality of the place for most people.
 
zoltan69 said:
As I say, Durazzo & Tir. are the the best sides of Albania - like a happy shopper version of Greece. Jump on the daily buses from Skandeberg Sq to Pristina, across the mountains & you will see the reality of the place for most people.

I went to Sarander, some small villages and Butrint.

Isn't Pristina Kosovo?
 
miss direct said:
I went to Sarander, some small villages and Butrint.

Isn't Pristina Kosovo?

Yup.


A de facto province of Albnia nowadays - but the journey across the mountains is interesting to say the least
 
miss direct said:
I went to Sarander, some small villages and Butrint.

I went there too last year.
Sarander is a funny place innit - loads and loads and loads of half built hotels. And kids trying to sell you stuff.
My girlfriend got felt up as well while I went into a shop to buy some postcards :( .
 
zoltan69 said:
rather than cut n paste other peoples opinions, maybe you should tell us your experience of Albania ?

None. But you didn't give your own experience: you recommended a book that many others have panned.
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
None. But you didn't give your own experience: you recommended a book that many others have panned.


Pay no attention to that shit-head. I've been to ALbania before (3 years) and I can tell you that the unseen beauty of Albania will amaze you. 5 years from now those pictursque beaches will develop and tourism will take hold...Tirana was in a reconstruction phase (still is) when I visted...this summer I shall re-taste it all again ...and hopelly 'knock-up' a Greek whore! :D
 
Piero said:
Pay no attention to that shit-head. I've been to ALbania before (3 years) and I can tell you that the unseen beauty of Albania will amaze you. 5 years from now those pictursque beaches will develop and tourism will take hold...Tirana was in a reconstruction phase (still is) when I visted...this summer I shall re-taste it all again ...and hopelly 'knock-up' a Greek whore! :D

Who wants to knock up a greek whore?

Why not be satisfied with lots of unsuccessful attempts at knocking up a greek whore or two?
 
That wont do it...


Its been a dream of mine to impregnante someone on a one night stand...


wont leave till this mission is accomplished!
 
Piero said:
That wont do it...


Its been a dream of mine to impregnante someone on a one night stand...


wont leave till this mission is accomplished!


thats fucken charming :rolleyes:
 
Piero said:
That wont do it...


Its been a dream of mine to impregnante someone on a one night stand...


wont leave till this mission is accomplished!

Why not a nice albanian girl?

Does it have to be a greek?

Not that there's anything wrong with that...
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
The impression I got was that zoltan is a serb.

neither Shit head nor Serb chaps - But would it matter if I was ?

One visit to Albania does not a comprehensive view make.

Good to see you fellow North Americans getting on well & having in depth conversations about subjects you know little about. To be expected I suppose.

And who says Americans are all dumb ?
 
Piero said:
Pay no attention to that shit-head. I've been to ALbania before (3 years) and I can tell you that the unseen beauty of Albania will amaze you. 5 years from now those pictursque beaches will develop and tourism will take hold...Tirana was in a reconstruction phase (still is) when I visted...this summer I shall re-taste it all again ...and hopelly 'knock-up' a Greek whore! :D

Well, there you go. The voice of reason. I stand corrected.
 
Planning on visiting Albania in September. Staying three nights in Tirana, then driving :)eek: ) down to the coast for four nights, then back to Tirana for another three. From the research I've done, the security situation seems better now, at least in the capital and the West, but I've heard many horror stories about the driving. However, as Hertz has an office there it can't be that bad....can it?
 
Tirana is as civilised as you will get - you wont be bashed or mugged, but its a bit of a dump to say the least. People (surprisingly? ) are OK and friendly. If you are going to Durres/ Durazzo, dont expect too much, but its OK and pretty safe- i think the train still runs to DUrres and is like something out of a Will hay film.Or Norman wisdom would be more apt.

TRy to get hld of come Tirana Pils of you can in big 750ml green bottles= most Albs consider Alb made goods to be inferior to imported, so most bars will shrug if you ask them for Albanian beer & offer you Sol or Micjelod at 10x the price , but I think I could get it at one of the big ( there is only 1! ) hotels on Skandeberg sq. - its good beer and worth the hassle of finding


Nite life dies pretty early and public drunkeness a'la lager loutery isnt common, but you can drink til late of you plan ahead

Try to check out some of the Roman relics thats seem to crop up everywhere in Albanian - Durres has an amazing & unrestored Roman Ampitheatre right next to the Main mosque with earlu Xtian mosaic of Christ hidden away - very very good.

its not that bad - when you get into the hills, the place gets a little scarey, but then again , some of the smaller villages in Wales are scarey as well.Albeit less well tooled up as the Albs.

For Albanians Suit + tie = Authority & wealth, so if yer on business, make an effort.

YOu may want to read AA GIlls polemic in yesterdays Sunday Times magazine for a more extreme and jaundiced view of the place

Keep your wits about you, be open & friendly & you wont go too far wrong.
 
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