The anti-lockdown people in my orbit seem to be mostly anti-cop today. It's the liberals who're demanding justice for the police of Bristol.
Actions against the policing bill
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hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Fair. I wonder how that'll play out? It might do the anti-lockdowners a bit of good to be in proximity to people with a bit more sense, or it might just mean that future anti-policing demos have to deal with a lot more conspiracy shit on top of everything else they already have to cope with. Anyone got any predictions on that score?
Gramsci
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Cressida Dick, Head of Met, had been lobbying since XR turned up in London. Guardian article is year old.
Met chief: update public nuisance law to tackle Extinction Rebellion
Cressida Dick says police need more powers to deal with protest groups such as XR
Her over ruling local Lambeth police in working with Lambeth Labour Council in holding a peaceful vigil on Clapham Common, is typical of her brand of authoritarian policing. Her career in policing has been anti terrorism and keeping "order". No surprise she is happy lobbying and working with Tories like Patel. No surprise she defends her officers manhandling women at the vigil.
Treacle Toes
Time
There is a strange but positive bedfellows convergence where antivaxxers, Antifascists, sistersuncut, reclaim the streets, kill the bill, blm, trade unions, migrant/refugee rights, extinction rebellion etc are all active against the state at the moment...I think it's a good thing personally...the more pressure they are under the better.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
ACG article: Bristol riot: what do they expect?
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Yeah, and I suppose looking at it with my optimistic hat on, I suppose I can see how, if we hope that people who currently have bad ideas, such as the antivaxxers, will ever improve their understanding of the world and replace them with more accurate ones, being part of an actual social movement is certainly one of the best ways for that to happen. That's the optimistic reading of it, anyway.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Writing to MP versus rioting to MP
Treacle Toes
Time
Yes, very optimistic
I will admit to not seeing that 'enlightenment' happening but still thinking that even separately all these causes and groups pushing back is a good thing.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Interesting take on things.
Joined one of their main Telegram groups out of interest. It's a debate in there, rather than a foregone conclusion.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
They didn't moan about auld laws when enforcing the 1861 offences against the person actCressida Dick, Head of Met, had been lobbying since XR turned up in London. Guardian article is year old.
Met chief: update public nuisance law to tackle Extinction Rebellion
Cressida Dick says police need more powers to deal with protest groups such as XRwww.theguardian.com
Her over ruling local Lambeth police in working with Lambeth Labour Council in holding a peaceful vigil on Clapham Common, is typical of her brand of authoritarian policing. Her career in policing has been anti terrorism and keeping "order". No surprise she is happy lobbying and working with Tories like Patel. No surprise she defends her officers manhandling women at the vigil.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
josef1878 2.0
Well-Known Member
I love Bolton, home of Bolton Socialist Club. Mind you, I didn't much like it as a youth being chased through the town for being a "Salford cunt"
I went to a punk all dayer outside Bolton Socialist Club in the early 80s. I can remember Poison Girls headlining I think
Wood Street is made for that kind of thing with the big wall at the end. We never got chased away for being Wigan cunts either 
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Ian Tomlinson
not-bono-ever
meh
pretty sure that more cops around the place reduces crime as a whole but tougher policing doesnt pay much in dividends apart from exaggerating anti police sentiment, criminalising a larger section of the populace and filling up the gaols .Dick is surely a recipient of such widely available research? stuff like the NYC operation impact assessments were pretty much agreed on this area. obviously recruitment and filling the force with cunts adds a bit of spice to the mix
eta, yep, even the rand corporation agree
www.rand.org
eta, yep, even the rand corporation agree
Zero Tolerance and Aggressive Policing (And Why To Avoid It) In Depth
The Better Policing Toolkit in-depth essay on zero tolerance policing, sometimes known as aggressive policing, reasons to avoid it, and alternative strategies.
www.rand.org
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Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
It was a Joy Division gig at Bolton Tech. One of my dodgy mates was pool sharking some Bolton lads and they sussed him out so we had to do a runner. Only got away from them after a taxi stopped and took us back to Salford.I went to a punk all dayer outside Bolton Socialist Club in the early 80s. I can remember Poison Girls headlining I think
I was just thinking - in the early 2010s things kicked off quite a lot in the UK, the student protests, the anti austerity protests, the London riots and so on.
Things started to chill out when Corbyn was elected Labour leader, because his leadership effectively enfranchised a large demographic whose interests were previously being ignored.
I suspect that the Labour Party returning to refusing to oppose the Tories so that they can fit in better with elite social circles is going to see things kicking off again. Bristol is the first sign. If the Labour Party were seriously challenging it, there would have been a more controlled and peaceful demo - but now they are complicit in it, kicking off and destabilising things is far harder to argue against.
Things started to chill out when Corbyn was elected Labour leader, because his leadership effectively enfranchised a large demographic whose interests were previously being ignored.
I suspect that the Labour Party returning to refusing to oppose the Tories so that they can fit in better with elite social circles is going to see things kicking off again. Bristol is the first sign. If the Labour Party were seriously challenging it, there would have been a more controlled and peaceful demo - but now they are complicit in it, kicking off and destabilising things is far harder to argue against.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
And to be clear this isn't a case of struggling to find ten to fill out a listicle - there were three biggish ones in 2011 alone, not just Stokes Croft I but also in the wake of Mark Duggan's killing; locally significant ones like Knowle West in 1998 when a police station was besieged over the failure of authorities to keep local communities informed about the location of child killer Sidney Cooke; mini ones like 2013 when police, still smarting from losing various anarchist suspects over stuff tried to close down an impromptu Thatcher's Dead street party; as well as countless others.
And yet institutional amnesia kicks in every time after each one...
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
No but I was a window cleaner in Farnworth for a bit in the 70s. My round was a lot of old ladies who would invite me in for some cake and a bottle of stout. I was pissed as a fart by the end of the round, not good when you're climbing up a ladder... hic...
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
No but I was a window cleaner in Farnworth for a bit in the 70s. My round was a lot of old ladies who would invite me in for some cake and a bottle of stout. I was pissed as a fart by the end of the round, not good when you're climbing up a ladder... hic...
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
How come there was no riot after winterbourne view, or Oliver McGowan?
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
I confess
Cid
Proper break this time
It just makes our movements very easy to demonise/ridicule as far as I can see. I mean the antivaxxers/conspiracy side of things of course...
Southmead kicked off the night after Hartcliffe in 1992. The night after that my grandad was dying in Southmead hospital and before my parents went to see him they told us very firmly to stay indoors while they were out - we were living in Lawrence Weston and there were rumours flying that the estate was going to have its own riot that night. Not much happened in the end but I've never forgotten those few days.
Stokes Croft I & II were in the spring of 2011 - the Easter weekend and then the royal wedding weekend afterwards. Part III was after the Duggan killing later in the year.
I was amused at a tweet from Richard Payne of ITV West the other night in which he said he'd never seen his city like this. As you say, short memories!
I can't remember much around the Iraq protests in 2003 tbh. The march on the day the war started was huge and ended up blocking the bottom of the M32 but I don't think there was serious disorder, unless I missed it all..
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
For a moment I thought that was a still from the rare film "confessions of an insurrectionist"
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