Actions against the policing bill

[Serge Forward]

I would support the use of baton rounds in situations like that of last night.

Yep, a few baton rounds fired at the police would have sent them packing

 

[Sasaferrato]

I've never understood the obsession people have with this Years ago, I was in a relationship with someone who had held the rank of lieutenant in the Red Army, and she made a big deal of how many seconds it took her to strip down and reassemble an AK47. I can't remember how many seconds, it all sounded too daft for me.

Any road, this would maybe be more useful

The SLR was quicker to strip.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've never understood the obsession people have with this Years ago, I was in a relationship with someone who had held the rank of lieutenant in the Red Army, and she made a big deal of how many seconds it took her to strip down and reassemble an AK47. I can't remember how many seconds, it all sounded too daft for me.

Any road, this would maybe be more useful

it's not so much the easy assembly / disassembly but the accompanying familiarity with weapons. in addition i don't see your 'this would be more useful' as an alternative but complementary.

 

[Serge Forward]

Fair enough.

 

[Sasaferrato]

I thought you were supposed to play the "sensible conservative" shtick but it looks like you've crossed into outright fash?

Fair enough, if being on the side of effective response to rioting scum is fascist, your moral compass is a bit out of whack I think.

 

[Sasaferrato]

We do. It's called the Met.

They need to be better trained and equipped.

 

[Serge Forward]

(((rioting scum)))

 

[not-bono-ever]

I’m so confused. How can you be both a layabout student workshy snowflake drug user and a violent members of a global terror murder network at the same time ?

 

[mauvais]

Fair enough, if being on the side of effective response to rioting scum is fascist, your moral compass is a bit out of whack I think.

CRS = SS, as the saying went. Good at killing protestors though.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

I’m so confused. How can you be both a layabout student workshy snowflake drug user and a violent members of a global terror murder network at the same time ?

Easy. Be a resident of Bristol.

 

[Pickman's model]

I’m so confused. How can you be both a layabout student workshy snowflake drug user and a violent members of a global terror murder network at the same time ?

good time management

 

[muscovyduck]

I’m so confused. How can you be both a layabout student workshy snowflake drug user and a violent members of a global terror murder network at the same time ?

well what happens when you're a chav and you go to uni is that your mates from back home reckon you're a layabout student workshy snowflake drug user and your mates at uni reckon you're a violent member of a global terror murder network. but I appreciate that adds nothing to the current discussion

 

[chilango]

So nothing, it's a view, no more or less important than anyone else's.

Correct me if I'm being unfair here, but you're not actually going to get off yer arse and actually do anything with opinion though are you? It's not like you're going to rock up to a riot or protest and front up to the "thugs" is it?

Whereas I believe at least a few of those supporting or defending the actions of the protesters have, track records of putting their money where their mouth and, well y'know, protesting. And I'm sure some will continue to do so.

So, their opinions - turned into action - carry more weight than those of an armchair blusterer.

 

[dessiato]

If we are going to arrest the people being violent at protests, how long will it be till all the police are being jailed? After all they seem to be the starters and worst perpetrators of violence.

 

[existentialist]

If we are going to arrest the people being violent at protests, how long will it be till all the police are being jailed? After all they seem to be the starters and worst perpetrators of violence.

Needless to say, they will not be held to account. Not by the legal process, at least.

 

[killer b]

I thought you were supposed to play the "sensible conservative" shtick but it looks like you've crossed into outright fash?

he's been this bad for years.

 

[not-bono-ever]

good time management

Get up early

 

[hitmouse]

They need to be better trained and equipped.

???


(this is a joke btw)

 

[Sasaferrato]

Correct me if I'm being unfair here, but you're not actually going to get off yer arse and actually do anything with opinion though are you? It's not like you're going to rock up to a riot or protest and front up to the "thugs" is it?

Whereas I believe at least a few of those supporting or defending the actions of the protesters have, track records of putting their money where their mouth and, well y'know, protesting. And I'm sure some will continue to do so.

So, their opinions - turned into action - carry more weight than those of an armchair blusterer.

I'm 68. I have had two lots of back surgery, and one of neck surgery.

Not really in a physical position to go rioting, even if I were inclined to do so, which I'm not.

I see absolutely nothing admirable about those who rioted last night. I hope they are apprehended and punished.

 

[Rimbaud]

I would support the use of baton rounds in situations like that of last night.

I wonder if you extend the same logic to Hong Kong and Myanmar.

UK government quite clearly has replaced respect for rule of law with authoritarian paternalism from an entitled social clique which believes it is born to rule.

The criminalisation of protest is part of the same process of rushing through bills without debate, illegally suspending Parliament, a slavishly loyal opposition led by someone from that same incestuous social clique purging its ranks of genuine opposition, unchecked rampant corruption in public contracts, Conservative political appointments dominating the BBC as well as all sorts of public organisations meant to provide oversight while cancelling left wing shows for "neutrality", and the rise of a surveillance state.

I don't like violence, but I also have no faith in British democracy and I feel disenfranchised by Starmer's refusal to hold the government to account. The social clique of Westminster/Fleet Street/BBC/Eton and Oxbridge had one last chance for social democratic compromise with Corbynism, but the people of that clique in the Labour Party (look at who Starmer's classmates included, and who else graduated from his high school) showed us clearly that the most moderate social democratic aspirations have no place in British politics and that democracy is a joke in this country.

You don't seem to have anything to say about the erosion of democracy in the UK, yet are engaged by violent protests against the suspension of civil rights. Do you take the same stance on Hong Kong and Myanmar? Do you not see that there is zero difference between your perspective and anti-democratic forces the world over?

 

[krtek a houby]

I would support the use of baton rounds in situations like that of last night.

Collaborator day on urban, or what

 

[LDC]

I'm 68. I have had two lots of back surgery, and one of neck surgery.

Not really in a physical position to go rioting, even if I were inclined to do so, which I'm not.

I see absolutely nothing admirable about those who rioted last night. I hope they are apprehended and punished.

Is there any situation in which you might support rioters, or at least agree they might have a valid position that justifies rioting? Or is it a blanket condemnation?

 

[chilango]

I'm 68. I have had two lots of back surgery, and one of neck surgery.

Not really in a physical position to go rioting, even if I were inclined to do so, which I'm not.

I see absolutely nothing admirable about those who rioted last night. I hope they are apprehended and punished.

That's the trouble with old people today. No sense of personal responsibility. The moment things get tough they start crying and expect the nanny state to come in and do it for them.

 

[DaveCinzano]

I’m so confused. How can you be both a layabout student workshy snowflake drug user and a violent members of a global terror murder network at the same time ?

Excellent union backing at the contract negotiation

 

[hitmouse]

I'm 68. I have had two lots of back surgery, and one of neck surgery.

Not really in a physical position to go rioting.

Don't worry, I'm sure you can still find a way to contribute!


Anyway, good to see that at least the youth of Bolton West have some get-up-and-go to them:

 

[Pickman's model]

Maybe if you saw what the cops do to unresisting peaceful protestors you might revise your attitude. See for example the climate camp in the city of London in April 2009

eg

 

[Serge Forward]

I love Bolton, home of Bolton Socialist Club. Mind you, I didn't much like it as a youth being chased through the town for being a "Salford cunt"

 

[DaveCinzano]

I love Bolton, home of Bolton Socialist Club. Mind you, I didn't much like it as a youth being chased through the town for being a "Salford cunt"

Were you indeed from Salford?

 

[Pickman's model]

Were you indeed from Salford?

salford cunts are a band, like sleaford mods

 

[Serge Forward]

Were you indeed from Salford?

I am indeed. Born in Hope.