Accused rapist Ched Evans to be released from prison

[Spymaster]

At the time of McKinney had you forced your dick into someone's mouth against their will that would not have been rape either.

So that's OK then?

Or does the law perhaps need to catch up?

Eh?

WTF?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Eh?

WTF?

At the time of the case that equationgirl mentioned, forced oral copulation was not considered rape.

It is now.

The fact that a woman forcibly fucking a man is still not rape is soley down to the fact that it is a very rare event and parliament's time is limited enough not to pass laws against very rare events when sexual assault will cover it.

Doesn't make it not rape though, or do you contest that it does?

 

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The big problem isn't that rape often takes place "behind closed doors", it's that in the entire criminal justice system, there's no crimes as consistently-poorly policed and tried by badly-educated people, as major sexual assaults. Even where advances have been made - same sex police contact, rape suites staffed by same sex as victim etc, we're still in an age where over 70% of complainants whose complaints get passed by the police to the CPS, and are actioned by the CPS, drop their complaints because of the psychological trauma the complaint adds to that already suffered through the sexual assault.
On top of this, once it gets in front of a judge there's - as I mentioned earlier - a tactic among defence lawyers of questioning the victim with extreme hostility, with sexual history brought up (even though not allowed, an effective barrister will find a "side-door" through which to introduce the subject) and aspersions cast on honesty and morality, usually by someone of the same sex as the person that attacked you, if you're a woman.

in front of the attacker.

it's only relatively recently that those accused of rape were barred from questioning the victim.

only last year that it became a policy to inform victims of some of what they could expect in court.

 

[Spymaster]

At the time of the case that equationgirl mentioned, forced oral copulation was not considered rape.

It is now.

The fact that a woman forcibly fucking a man is still not rape is soley down to the fact that it is a very rare event and parliament's time is limited enough not to pass laws against very rare events when sexual assault will cover it.

Doesn't make it not rape though, or do you contest that it does?

Has a woman ever been convicted of rape in the UK?

 

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Has a woman ever been convicted of rape in the UK?

yes.

 

[bimble]

Has a woman ever been convicted of rape in the UK?

of another woman, yes. don't know about of a bloke.

 

[Athos]

I thought it did say that. I thought the legal advice to jury was that it should consider whether a reasonable person would reasonably assume that consent was given and was valid, and that the jury should not consider how pissed the man making that judgement about the other persons state of mind might have been at the time. Is that wrong?

First, that's not the same thing as saying that "drunk women are not competent responsible adults... but drunk men are." Secondly, the test isn't about drunkenness, but capacity to consent. Whilst it's possible that a man could rape someone whilst being so drunk as to not know what he's doing, a policy decision has been made to prevent voluntary intoxication being used as a defence, throughout the criminal law, for obvious reasons. Thirdly, the law would (in theory, at least) convict the sober women who had sex with a man too drunk to consent, under e.g. s.3. The gender of the offender isn't the issue for the black letter of the law.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Has a woman ever been convicted of rape in the UK?

I think so, but only as an accessory, there is just such a case going through the courts now in the US, a woman streamed her BF raping someone.

Why does it bother you if the charge was rape or sexual assault though? What Max Clifford did was rape, but he could only be tried for sexual assault. Would you defend him as a non-rapist cos the law cannot define him as a rapist?

 

[Spymaster]

yes.

Of raping a man, I mean.

When, where, links, etc, etc,...?

 

[Athos]

Has a woman ever been convicted of rape in the UK?

Claire Marsh, 2001, London.

 

[Spymaster]

... but only as an accessory ....

Piss off!

That's not at all the context being discussed. Nice try though!

 

[Spymaster]

Claire Marsh, 2001, London.

Woman - woman.

 

[bimble]

Of raping a man, I mean.

When, where, links, etc, etc,...?

I'm ok with the fact that you might have to go to pay per view sites to find what you're looking for.
But am not ok with the idea that voluntary consumption of alcohol by men is irrelevant in the law to their consequent actions whilst that's not true for women.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Piss off!

That's not at all the context being discussed. Nice try though!

The second part of the post is the pertinent part; why are you so keen to make out that there is a difference between sexual assault and rape? Why are you defending rapists like Max Clifford when they forced their dicks in to people's mouths against their will? It's a bit of a creepy position to adopt.

 

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Of raping a man, I mean.

When, where, links, etc, etc,...?

i know of several cases where women have been convicted of raping boys. you can look those up if you want to. im not going there tonight.

 

[Athos]

Woman - woman.

You asked if a woman had been convicted of rape in the UK. I have gave you an example.

 

[Spymaster]

The second part of the post is the pertinent part; why are you so keen to make out that there is a difference between sexual assault and rape?

I'm not. I couldn't give a fuck about it.

But equationgirl clearly challenged another poster's assertion that 'no woman had been convicted of raping a man' . She then erroneously cited the case of McKinney and arrogantly badgered the other poster to respond to her.

 

[Spymaster]

i know of several cases where women have been convicted of raping boys. you can look those up if you want to. im not going there tonight.

No, I'm not looking them up. I'll let you provide those, thanks!

I'll remind you every now and then too, if you forget.

 

[Spymaster]

You asked if a woman had been convicted of rape in the UK. I have gave you an example.

Don't bother.

 

[DotCommunist]

off the sitter list or the safe to get drunk with list

Ched
Johnson
Danczuk


Of course the law says harrumph harrumph fuck their law. We know Ched did a dirty and abusive session on someone far down on the social rung from him and without the capital-social and fiscal- to defend against these dirty cunts like his gf digging around with PI's using big money to pressure a re-trial. We know she didn't report it as rape, the cps ran with that. She fled the fucking country and took another name.

But by all means lets debate the meaning of rape as defined by a law none of us finds acceptable. For fucks sake

 

[Spymaster]

GOOGLEGOOGLEGOOGLEGOOGLE ....

Come on!

SOME woman must have been done for raping a man somewhere!!!!!!

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I'm not. I couldn't give a fuck about it.

But equationgirl clearly challenged another poster's assertion that 'no woman had been convicted of raping a man' . She then erroneously cited the case of McKinney and arrogantly badgered the other poster to respond to her mistake.

And you will not let up on badgering about it.

the case she mentioned was sexual assault. By any standards it would be rape. However the law does not define it as rape at that time, as it did not forced oral copulation. If sexual assault such as that become more commonplace I am sure the law will be amended to classify that as rape. Choosing to make out that there is some point worth noting about the difference just makes you seem a bit...tbf.

 

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But by all means lets debate the meaning of rape as defined by a law none of us finds acceptable. For fucks sake

this.

if the law is unable to prosecute a serious sexual violation that isnt penile penetration as rape, then the law is an ass.

 

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GOOGLEGOOGLEGOOGLEGOOGLE ....

Come on!

SOME woman must have been done for raping a man somewhere!!!!!!

us laws can be less discriminatory.

but i think eg was right. i'd consider the case that she described as a rape.

 

[bimble]

But by all means lets debate the meaning of rape as defined by a law none of us finds acceptable. For fucks sake

If its ok with with you yes please. Famous footballers make news makes discussion. I don't have a clue what happened in that hotel room & won't be opining on that specific case ever but do feel that there are things here worth trying to talk about, on the anonymous internets, things that are hard to talk about in real life.

 

[Spymaster]

And you will not let up on badgering about it.

the case she mentioned was sexual assault. By any standards it would be rape. However the law dis not define it as rape at that time, as it did not forced oral copulation. If sexual assault such as that become more commonplace I am sure the law will be amended to classify that as rape. Choosing to make out that there is some point worth noting about the difference just makes you seem a bit...tbf.

Sass said no woman had been convicted of raping a man.

EG said "YOU ARE WRONG" and cited the case of Joyce McKinney. Joyce McKinney WAS NOT convicted of raping a man.

equationgirl then badgered Sass to respond to her nonsense.

She's an arse.

Now fuck off, ya dong.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Sass said no woman had been convicted of raping a man.

EG said "YOU ARE WRONG" and cited the case of Joyce McKinney. Joyce McKinney WAS NOT convicted of raping a man.

equationgirl then badgered Sass to respond to her nonsense.

She's an arse.

Now fuck off, ya dong.

Dong?

It is you who is going out of his way to defend those who rape. Seriously man, have a word, it's a very bad look.

 

[Spymaster]

It is you who is going out of his way to defend those who rape.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I don't have a clue what happened in that hotel room...

You could have watched it all on live leak had his mates not fucked up their recording of the night's jolly japes.

 

[Athos]

Sass said no woman had been convicted of raping a man.

EG said "YOU ARE WRONG" and cited the case of Joyce McKinney. Joyce McKinney WAS NOT convicted of raping a man.

equationgirl then badgered Sass to respond to her nonsense.

She's an arse.

Now fuck off, ya dong.

Yes, she was wrong. In fact, I pointed that out to her. But I didn't feel the need to be a dick about it. Why not give it a rest?