Accused rapist Ched Evans to be released from prison
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
she was judged to have been conscious enough when she agreed for him to take her back to the hotel, that when he did fuck her, he had good reason to believe there was consent. She was completely smashed when Evans arrived (not at her invitation), and so he had no good reason to believe she had given meaningful consent.
Hughes refuses to discuss the whole thing and his victims don't really feel that his statement of regret was sincere.
When there were rumours that my club were interested in signing him the other week, the vast majority of fans expressed unease about it ranging from not applauding him or his goals to outright boycott if he signed.
Incidentally, David Pipe was released by us shortly before his conviction for assaulting a man by smashing a champagne bottle over his head. Since his release he has played for Newport County and Forest Green Rovers (Hughes' current club). Maybe Evans could join them, they don't seem to mind.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
Evans was probably about to get a big money move , I think someone said he was on 20k a week before the rape - I don't hink FGR can match that
he probably has 'advisors' telling him that he can still play in the premiership and earn £100k a week 
I agree with your comment about Hughes - I think my point was that there was an element of accepting that they had committed the crime - Evans has consistently refused to admit that he did anything wrong at all
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
After King's Conviction for sexual assault the PFA said it was none of their business and wouldn't be supporting him after he did his time if he was looking for a way back into the game. Hodgson was then his nominal manager and said he could fuck off and this was a clear moral matter. Wenger said of course he can come back.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
So she was smashed as in really drunk but concious or smashed as in passed out when evans raped her?
Who knows? Only Evans does.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
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marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
King is currently serving 18 months so may well try and get back into the game when he comes out , he is still relatively young (32/33?) He may well end up at FGR
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This conviction i meant was 5 years ago though. The PFA stance seems to have changed since then and Hodgson has not said anything this time despite his higher profile role.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
ok, King has been banged up a lot, probably me that was confused about the time frame
andysays
Love and solidarity
Worth pointing out that Evans hasn't merely refused to acknowledge his guilt, he's appealing to have his conviction overturned. Clearly he has the legal right to do that, but it's taking the piss to think he can slot back into his former lucrative career while that's going on.
You almost wonder if the current business with the training/possible return to SU or elsewhere is supposed to be part of a PR campaign aimed at influencing his appeal, but either he or his advisors must be crazy if they think this is going to help.
All this has been gone through in some detail earlier in the thread. It might be worth going back to have a read, although there's been some nasty shit which might be better avoided, unfortunately.
You almost wonder if the current business with the training/possible return to SU or elsewhere is supposed to be part of a PR campaign aimed at influencing his appeal, but either he or his advisors must be crazy if they think this is going to help.
All this has been gone through in some detail earlier in the thread. It might be worth going back to have a read, although there's been some nasty shit which might be better avoided, unfortunately.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Hughes was playing for Notts County when I saw them playing Tranmere. Had to put up with chants of 'murderer' for the whole game, same at Sheffield United, ironically enough. Couldn't have made it easy for him, or his team-mates.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I'd be fairly sure he knows he has no chance of being re-signed till his final appeal has gone through. He'll be hoping he'll be found not guilty, and all the opposition will go quickly away. It wont, of course, even if his conviction is overturned. And that doesn't seem likely.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
yep, I can imagine - he must have money issues to continue playing , he is 38 now and still playing, given what you said, it can't be for the joy of playing
andysays
Love and solidarity
You'd think so, but surely then the thing to do would be to keep his head down for the time being, rather than continuing to ensure that the story of him as an unrepentant rapist is in the news every day
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
it is huge profile - discussed on Question Time, regularly in the main news buletinsYou'd think so, but surely then the thing to do would be to keep his head down for the time being, rather than continuing to ensure that the story of him as an unrepentant rapist is in the news every day
Betsy
Well-Known Member
Has anybody in football said anything publicly about this,one way or the other?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Not so you'd notice.
andysays
Love and solidarity
I know, but it's huge profile because of what Evans has done and is continuing to do
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
he needs to get into a state whereby he's fit enough to sign as soon as his appeal is heard, i guessYou'd think so, but surely then the thing to do would be to keep his head down for the time being, rather than continuing to ensure that the story of him as an unrepentant rapist is in the news every day
andysays
Love and solidarity
Or he thinks he needs to do that.
This behaviour just strikes me as another facet of his arrogance, thinking only about himself and complete lack of remorse/responsibility, which ultimately is likely to prevent him from getting back where he wants to be, at least I hope it is.
The Pale King
Well-Known Member
Yes. He seems unable to think of himself as a rapist, to understand what he did and try to make amends for it, and he is being enabled in this denialism by the people around him. His self-image is more important than the safety/security/peace of mind of his victim, whom he still treats as though she is worth nothing and beneath normal human consideration.
christonabike
Elm Park Bencher
I can't see how he can become a professional footballer again
They are usually contracted to do so many hours of charity, community and youth work, which he will not be able to fulfill
I agree that people who have served their time should be rehabilitated, and able work again to make a living
However, a convicted rapist would not be allowed to return to their old occupation of, say, nursery school teacher, as it would not be appropriate and this, I feel, is the case here
This is where football clubs could take a stand
They are usually contracted to do so many hours of charity, community and youth work, which he will not be able to fulfill
I agree that people who have served their time should be rehabilitated, and able work again to make a living
However, a convicted rapist would not be allowed to return to their old occupation of, say, nursery school teacher, as it would not be appropriate and this, I feel, is the case here
This is where football clubs could take a stand
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Only Evans, McDonald and possibly their two mates know that.
This is where the judgement seems inconsistent to me. She could consent to McDonald while drunk, but not to Evans while in the same state. In sentencing, the judge said this: '
"The complainant was extremely intoxicated. CCTV footage shows, in my view, the extent of her intoxication when she stumbled into your friend. She was in no condition to have sexual intercourse."
But from what I can tell, that was not the verdict of the jury. The verdict of the jury was that she did consent to McDonald while that drunk, or at least he had good reason to think she had.
She woke up not knowing where she was, not remembering going to the hotel, and convinced her drink had been spiked. She had not experienced an alcohol blackout before, but her drinking the night before is consistent with having had one - four double vodkas and a sambuca in quick succession is a recipe for a possible blackout.
That doesn't say much either way about the state she had been in in the hotel room. But even by Evans' version, these two used her and threw her away. Taking her to a hotel for sex then abandoning her there was a despicable thing to do. Then he rather sealed his own fate, I think, by trying to make out she was a liar in court. At the very, very least, there is a big problem with the attitude towards women displayed by Evans, McDonald and their two mates. Even their version of events shows them to have acted in a very nasty way.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
I seriously doubt that. If they can allow other footballers to return to the fray who have been convicted of other crimes back into the game-not to mention the behaviour of other footballers like John Terry and Suarez with their racism I'd suggest we can expect very little from the clubs.
andysays
Love and solidarity
As I understand it, and as was covered extensively earlier in the thread, the two verdicts depended not on whether the victim actually gave consent (she couldn't remember giving consent to either) but on the legal question of whether each defendant could have had a reasonable belief that she consented.
If you go back and read the first few pages of the thread, it should be reasonably clear.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Thats dodgy territory surely? Evans may actually believe or has convinced himself of his innocence-in fact plenty of people plead their innocence-I dont think pleading your innocence is the basis for extending a sentence after already being sentenced by due process.
Unless of course one of the measures of rehabilitation is an admittance of guilt for the parole board?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yes, I know. It still doesn't really square up for me. Sounds to me that the judge had prepared to sentence both of them. We're in dangerous territory here with the idea that merely agreeing to go to a hotel with someone is taken to be consent to sex.
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