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Accused rapist Ched Evans to be released from prison

Pickman's model said:
i don't suppose for a moment that she believes half the things she writes, she'll sell her pen for a mess of pottage.
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In this case I don't really care if she doesn't believe it. Other people will believe there is a sliding scale of rape and everything achieved over the last 30-odd years will start to become undone.
 
equationgirl said:
In this case I don't really care if she doesn't believe it. Other people will believe there is a sliding scale of rape and everything achieved over the last 30-odd years will start to become undone.
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everything achieved over the past 100+ years has been unravelling for quite some time :(

people like pearson help to normalise it - as you say - and should imo be held to account. for too long they've had power without responsibility. :mad:
 
Watching the QT bit on this and the issue of Evans' international career was raised. Have the FA of Wales made any comment yet?
 
brogdale said:
Watching the QT bit on this and the issue of Evans' international career was raised. Have the FA of Wales made any comment yet?
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From Twitter..
Rod Liddle on Question Time: "This is “politically correct hypocrisy”; other footballers have returned to their jobs after being convicted of crimes."
 
equationgirl said:
In this case I don't really care if she doesn't believe it. Other people will believe there is a sliding scale of rape and everything achieved over the last 30-odd years will start to become undone.
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What are your views on the Sentencing Council's guidelines for rape (http://sentencingcouncil.judiciary....fences_Definitive_Guideline_content_(web).pdf), which provide for a very wide range of sentences (four years to life), depending on a number of aggravating and mitigating factors. Do they amount to a sliding scale of rape? Should there be one fixed tariff for rape?

Or perhaps it'd be better to approach it like this: all rape is rape, but some rapes have aggravating factors in addition to the act of rape itself i.e. rape is an horrendous crime, and so there's a minimum of 10 years for every rape, but you'll get an extra so many years if, say, you filmed it and put it on the net, caused a person to fear for their life, abused a position of trust etc.. This is different to saying that some rapes aren't 'real' rapes, which is what the Telegraph article is intimating, and, importantly, it wouldn't have victim-blaming mitigating factors to reduce the sentence e.g. she was promiscuous, led him on, chose to drink to excess etc..
 
There are very few mitigating factors, far fewer than for most serious crimes:

Mitigating factors
No previous convictions
or
no relevant/recent convictions
Remorse
Previous good character and/or exemplary conduct*
Age and/or lack of maturity where it affects the responsibility of the offender
Mental disorder or learning disability, particularly where linked to the commission of the offence
*
Previous good character/exemplary conduct is different from having no previous convictions. The more serious the offence, the less the weight which should normally be attributed to this factor. Where previous good character/exemplary conduct has been used to facilitate the offence, this mitigation should not normally be allowed and such conduct may
constitute an aggravating factor.
In the context of this offence, previous good character/exemplary conduct should not normally be given any significant weight and will not normally justify a reduction in what would otherwise be the appropriate sentence.

Evans had no previous convictions, but otherwise...
 
something that occured last night is that a person whongets a sentence f over two years is never rehabiliated? i.e the offence is never spent.
 
brogdale said:
Watching the QT bit on this and the issue of Evans' international career was raised. Have the FA of Wales made any comment yet?
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equationgirl said:
See post #1014
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Post #1014
belboid said:
The Football Association of Wales is aware of the recent verdict in the trial of the Welsh international Ched Evans and recognises the seriousness of the situation. No one from the association will be making further comment at this time.
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appears to be from when the verdict was handed down rather than since his release and the issue coming to prominence again. Anyone confirm or contradict that?

Also
Ched Evans 'cannot go back to football' Carwyn Jones says

Speaking on the BBC's Question Time, Mr Jones said Evans had not apologised to his victim.

He said: 'What does it mean for her to see him back in a job where he will earn a lot of money after being a convicted rapist? If you are a role model and you are convicted of a serious offence such as rape, and you don't apologise at the very least, you don't say you accept that you committed a serious offence, you can't go back to a job like football."
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Plaid Cymru leader Leanne Wood, a former probation officer, said: "I think there is a danger of sending a message to young people who look at footballers as role models, there is a danger that we send a message that rape isn't a serious offence."

Welsh Liberal Democrat leader Kirsty Williams said she would feel "incredibly uncomfortable" if Evans were ever to play for Wales again.
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I bet they wouldn't think like that if they were to be unmasked. So its probably a case of:

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Without knowing too much about this case how come the other footballer was acquitted -did he have sex with the victim too?
 
Betsy said:
From Twitter..
Rod Liddle on Question Time: "This is “politically correct hypocrisy”; other footballers have returned to their jobs after being convicted of crimes."
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a few come mind - Lee Hughes - ex West Brom, Coventry and a few other clubs - dangerous driving - he killed somone - got 6 years, was released after 3 - got a club fairly quickly but at a lower level than before - playing Conference football now. Luke McCormick, killed 2 kids in a car crash, got 7 years, released after 3 and a half - and eventually did return to his former club (Plymouth) and was recently made club captain . Marlon King, for numerous offences, including fraud, driving offences, violent offences, sexual assault - currently banged up but has played for various clubs between spells of being banged up (he is currently banged up) Jermain Pennant played with a tag (I think for Liverpool or Birmingham) and I'm sure there are many other players or ex -players who have served time. Having said that I think Hughes and McCormick did admit their guilt and issued statements of apology and regret - Evans continues to protest his innocence and his video statement just said he'd made a mistake and was unfaithful - no apology to the victim at all
 
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