Abort 67 "intimidating protests" outside Blackfriars/London clinic

[DotCommunist]

aye not really a good line to take ddraig. I wonder if Slade would ask a raped woman to carry a child to term? or would that be a non medical convenience abortion?

 

[ddraig]

not sure what your point is there, I'm 50 in a few months and a white male who is pro abortion

ai a shit guess/stab in the dark at pigeonholing (sp!)

aware that most/many 50+ blokes would not have issues with women choosing what to do with their own bodies

 

[maomao]

I'm 50 in a few months and a white male who is pro abortion

Pro choice not pro abortion surely.

 

[marty21]

Pro choice not pro abortion surely.

both tbf - but pro choice is probably a better way of saying it

 

[maomao]

both tbf - but pro choice is probably a better way of saying it

I just think pro-abortion sounds like you're against pregnancies being carried to full-term at all whereas pro-choice means it's up to the woman in question what she does with her body.

 

[marty21]

I just think pro-abortion sounds like you're against pregnancies being carried to full-term at all whereas pro-choice means it's up to the woman in question what she does with her body.

fair point

 

[Andrew Hertford]

Well this 50+ middle class male from SE England who's user name relates to where he lived as a child supports a woman's right to choose 100%!

 

[ddraig]

yes shit point by me! should've done it somewhere else

 

[8ball]

...abortion for convenience isn't something I agree.

Me neither, but I'm not sure about how watertight this "medically necessary" vs. "don't fancy it right now" dichotomy is...

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

Me neither, but I'm not sure about how watertight this "medically necessary" vs. "don't fancy it right now" dichotomy is...

Oh absolutely, there's more than 50 shades of grey!

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh absolutely, there's more than 50 shades of grey!

i understand william shatner's in line to do an audiobook version

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

i understand william shatner's in line to do an audiobook version

That reminds me, I need to see if I can get his voice on a TomTom when I can next afford to run a car.

"45 degrees Starboard at the next saucer-shaped mystery cycle after you've left the federation regulated highway"

 

[8ball]

Oh absolutely, there's more than 50 shades of grey!

We can all think of some caricatured case where we would consider an abortion to not be the 'best choice', and might draw the line in different places, but all the alternatives that I can think of to accepting a woman's choice as the final say are pretty frightening and barbaric.

We have a tendency to conflate a desire that some things didn't happen with a desire to force others into stopping them happening.

 

[Pickman's model]

We can all think of some caricatured case where we would consider an abortion to not be the 'best choice', and might draw the line in different places, but all the alternatives that I can think of to accepting a woman's choice as the final say are pretty frightening and barbaric.

We have a tendency to conflate a desire that some things didn't happen with a desire to force others into stopping them happening.

things like voting tory for example.

 

[8ball]

things like voting tory for example.

That's certainly something I'd prefer didn't happen...

 

[Pickman's model]

That's certainly something I'd prefer didn't happen...

but what do you do to prevent it occurring?

 

[8ball]

but what do you do to prevent it occurring?

You seem to be doing the conflating thing I mentioned above.

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

We can all think of some caricatured case where we would consider an abortion to not be the 'best choice', and might draw the line in different places, but all the alternatives that I can think of to accepting a woman's choice as the final say are pretty frightening and barbaric.

We have a tendency to conflate a desire that some things didn't happen with a desire to force others into stopping them happening.

But that's the abortion debate in a nutshell is that the other side to it see's the termination of a baby as "frightening and barbaric".

I don't want this to turn into an abortion debate itself per se. This is about anti-abortionists protesting outside clinics. This anti-abortionist thinks that's not appropriate. Whether it should be against the law to protest outside clinics. No it shouldn't be. But the police should stop it from turning into harassment.

 

[Pickman's model]

You seem to be doing the conflating thing I mentioned above.

surely you try to talk people out of it?

 

[Pickman's model]

But that's the abortion debate in a nutshell is that the other side to it see's the termination of a baby as "frightening and barbaric".

I don't want this to turn into an abortion debate itself per se. This is about anti-abortionists protesting outside clinics. This anti-abortionist thinks that's not appropriate. Whether it should be against the law to protest outside clinics. No it shouldn't be. But the police should stop it from turning into harassment.

yeh it's always someone else's responsibility to do something about things.

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

yeh it's always someone else's responsibility to do something about things.

Of course not. But then again, sometimes it is someone elses responsibility.

You can't expect an pro-lifer to be running around telling pro-choice people that they have a moral duty to protest against protesting pro-lifers!

Or have I misunderstood your point?

 

[8ball]

surely you try to talk people out of it?

I don't think I know any Tory voters who would mention such intentions in front of me.

I suppose I could wear a t-short with "DON'T VOTE TORY!!" on big letters on the front and back of it just in case I wander into the view of a potential Tory voter who might be swayed, but I doubt it would do much good, realistically speaking.

It might even get misinterpreted and send a few Tory voters in UKIP's direction (though whether that would be a good or bad thing is a whole other argument).

 

[Pickman's model]

Of course not. But then again, sometimes it is someone elses responsibility.

You can't expect an pro-lifer to be running around telling pro-choice people that they have a moral duty to protest against protesting pro-lifers!

Or have I misunderstood your point?

yes

 

[8ball]

But that's the abortion debate in a nutshell is that the other side to it see's the termination of a baby as "frightening and barbaric".

I think the pro choice bunch would much prefer it if abortions involved as little fear and barbarism as possible. Such as not having vulnerable women be forced to run a gauntlet of shouting protesters to get to a clinic.

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

yes

How did I know you was going to say that!

 

[Pickman's model]

How did I know you was going to say that!

because everyone's wise after the event

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

I think the pro choice bunch would much prefer it if abortions involved as little fear and barbarism as possible. Such as not having vulnerable women be forced to run a gauntlet of shouting protesters to get to a clinic.

I would like to think that there's a swathe of people that take my stance. Which is something like

...would much prefer it if there was as few abortions as possible, but those that are would not involve vulnerable women be forced to run a gauntlet of shouting protesters to get to a clinic...

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

because everyone's wise after the event

Is this a good time to ask you if you had a smashing day at work?

 

[Pickman's model]

Is this a good time to ask you if you had a smashing day at work?

as good as any i suppose. but is this the thread for such an enquiry?

 

[8ball]

I would like to think that there's a swathe of people that take my stance. Which is something like

...would much prefer it if there was as few abortions as possible, but those that are would not involve vulnerable women be forced to run a gauntlet of shouting protesters to get to a clinic...

That stance seems a world away from "would vote to outlaw abortion", which is what you said earlier.