weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
The Shon Faye that said this? Not so much about whether we like him, so much as whether we should listen to a word he says about children.
A Woman's Place is Speaking Up in Wales
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The Shon Faye that said this? Not so much about whether we like him, so much as whether we should listen to a word he says about children.
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
18 and 19 year olds aren't children.
It's 'she'.
She's irreverant and funny.
How does any of that relate to the statistic of 65% of young trans people being less likely to attempt suicide if allowed to use their preferred name, as per the report?
It's 'she'.
She's irreverant and funny.
How does any of that relate to the statistic of 65% of young trans people being less likely to attempt suicide if allowed to use their preferred name, as per the report?
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
Is Shon Faye a trans woman?
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Really? You think paraphrasing your talks to schoolchildren as 'suck dick, get tits early' is irreverent and funny? Ok. Regarding the study, I will read it.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
You'd call 18/19 school children?
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Read his reply to his own tweet.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
Why do you keep calling her by male pronouns? Do you do that to trans adults or youngsters that you know in person?
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Because he is a man. I'm not going to go along with him. And edit, no, I call my daughter's trans boy friends by their chosen names and refer to them as 'him'. They're very unhappy children.
MochaSoul
It's being enslaved of your own free will
Fine. Lobby with transwomen who want the changes. Join Sisters Uncut. They're vocal enough. Some of them even urge each other to use their fists.
These meetings are for the voices of the unheard and no-platformed because they are the one's being threatened and intimidated including transwomen like Kristina Harrison and Debbie Hayton who regularly feel the backlash from women in reactive mode and the trans community itself within which they note the fear of other transwomen to put their heads above the parapet lest they lose the support of their own community.
It's a bit much to also demand Woman's Place that they give you representation on the stage when your position is more than advertised already to the point of the tories attempting to change the law and all political parties being on side with it and also given obstacle track they have to cross and which includes women who share your position on this issue hounding the venues entrances with shouts of "Burn it to ground!" as I heard as I went in the Baptist church which held the meeting in London.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
Yes. Being trans as a kid must be very hard. Though I'm sure it'd be easier and happier if self ID was less of a big deal for everyone.
I'm left wondering why the compassion extends to trans boys you know but not trans women you don't.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
Are you interested in having a moderate and polite conversation about the article Vintage Paw posted?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh. Don't accept it then, go back and edit your posts to remove all signs of it.
MochaSoul
It's being enslaved of your own free will
Nope. This is only a message board and this thread will be pulled at the least sign of whatever. The action is elsewhere.
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
She's referring to trans girls afaik and misgendering them.
Edit: re-reading I'm not certain, but if I'm wrong then I'm very confused as to why a person so obviously hostile to trans people and who refuses to accept they exist and who refuses to allow them the courtesy of politely using their preferred pronouns in most cases would be polite in person.
Ah, probably because it's easier to be cruel online.
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
It's refreshing, in a way, that there's no chance with you of the mask slipping because you don't wear one to begin with. You're quite open about your hatred of trans people and your denial of their rights, of their selfhood, and that you will insist on misgendering them and fighting against their existence with every chance you get.
I do wonder how this sits with those women who claim they do support trans people and don't want to exclude them or be cruel to them, but are just concerned about self-id. I wonder how aligning themselves with your rhetoric sits with that.
Why all the bleeding hearts for trans women? Where's the empathy towards women who experience the full force of patriarchy from the time we're born? On average 2-3 WOMEN MURDERED EACH WEEK by current or ex partners, the vast majority, if not all of whom are men. Why all the anger directed at women when it's patently MEN who violate and intimidate trans women? Why the fuck are you not focusing your energy on challenging gender stereo-types, toxic masculinity and murderous men?
I ask these questions because I cannot help but think that much of men's so called supporting trans rights agenda is really about fucking over women cos we called you out on your shit and shit had to change, you are no longer 'allowed' to do the stuff that you've always done.
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
I'm a woman, shygirl.
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
Also lol, wow.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
Enjoy your meeting about attacking trans women's rights then. I'm sure that's going to pull the patriarchy down.Why all the bleeding hearts for trans women? Where's the empathy towards women who experience the full force of patriarchy from the time we're born? On average 2-3 WOMEN MURDERED EACH WEEK by current or ex partners, the vast majority, if not all of whom are men. Why all the anger directed at women when it's patently MEN who violate and intimidate trans women? Why the fuck are you not focusing your energy on challenging gender stereo-types, toxic masculinity and murderous men?
I ask these questions because I cannot help but think that much of men's so called supporting trans rights agenda is really about fucking over women cos we called you out on your shit and shit had to change, you are no longer 'allowed' to do the stuff that you've always done.
My support - and I understand this is true for pretty much any trans woman who is in work, in politics, etc. Is 90% from women. Most men I see either don't get involved or side with the exclusionaries, and because I'm on Twitter, that's a large sample of men.
You have no idea of the things that trans women do to further women's rights and gender equality. A damned sight more than most TERFs. Look at any TERF website, Facebook feed, Twitter feed, etc, it's obsessively about attacking trans women.
Look at trans women's feeds - my own for example - a much more rounded and varied selection of issues that affect women. However, the need to constantly defend ourselves is a severe strain and stopped me from doing the things I used to do - such as environmental work.
When I stood for election in 2015 I didn't stand on trans rights, I stood on a raft of policies, including policies that would benefit women. But still, TERFs tried to get me deselected. Again, this isn't just me, it's any trans woman who tries to do anything that puts her into the public eye.
If you left trans women alone we would just get on with our lives, and some of us would be successful activists fighting for all women.
We do not set ourselves up against women
We are women
We merely stand up against those who try to destroy us and remove our rights.
Over and over again it is shown most women support trans rights and recognise trans women as women.
You only speak for a handful of women. Probably only a few thousand in total.
So give up this ludicrous attack on women like me, please, and let us just be.
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Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
Why aren't you?
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
Away from people who might disagree with you, and know what they're talking about.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Excellent whatabouteryWhy all the bleeding hearts for trans women? Where's the empathy towards women who experience the full force of patriarchy from the time we're born? On average 2-3 WOMEN MURDERED EACH WEEK by current or ex partners, the vast majority, if not all of whom are men. Why all the anger directed at women when it's patently MEN who violate and intimidate trans women? Why the fuck are you not focusing your energy on challenging gender stereo-types, toxic masculinity and murderous men?
I ask these questions because I cannot help but think that much of men's so called supporting trans rights agenda is really about fucking over women cos we called you out on your shit and shit had to change, you are no longer 'allowed' to do the stuff that you've always done.
MochaSoul
It's being enslaved of your own free will
I know your tactics now. Guess what. The thread about the woman who was attacked in Speaker's Corner was the thread that got me thinking hard. I quite like a good natter but you're among those who have taught me to choose well where to hold certain conversations. This thread ain't one of those places. It's much too important for that. On this side of the debate there are people like this and this whose fears include the erasure of their lived experience as well as their abhorrence for the misogyny rampant in the proposals, the way they are being implemented as well as the homophobia, especially the lesbophobia, inherent in the blurring of the sex and gender (twitter thread). I'm talking to them as well as women who are worried about the proposals for too many reasons to get to here.It's only now that some of these people are being heard and that is in large part due to the work of Woman's Place has been doing. Suffice to say that the persecution of transwomen like Miranda Yardley and the gift that keeps on giving that is Lily Madigan are doing an awful lot to peak trans the nation.
You can think whatever you want about me, accuse me of whatever, imply some more. I've been called a TERF in person and told to suck too many "lady dicks" online to care.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
So being afraid of black women isn't racism? I stand corrected.Keep trying! It may work... eventually.
By the way - I saw that on Twitter and you are completely misrepresenting what happened, but hey ho, why am I no longer surprised?
Why can't we keep the discussion to what's being said on this thread and not keep pulling in random crap from elsewhere. I'm not going to try to defend Lilly Madigan any more than I'm going to ask you to defend some random cis person. What would be the point?
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
I'll put this here as an example.
This is written by women for the header of a Facebook forum for women members of a trade union. No trans women were involved - this was a spontaneous show of support by cis women. Since then a prominent TERF, and a prominent member of the union, who attacked me in the forum, has been ejected, and they have had to write a further statement, this time for the TU leadership, who made a statement in the press that women in his union were concerned about trans people gaining the right to self ID for a GRC. They've told him in no unc retain terms to stop talking over women and that they do not have serious concerns, but instead are addressing any concerns by discussion. I've been part of that debate too.
Anyway - some might call them traitor to women. In fact one TERF did say that before she stormed out. Oh hum. No loss.
This is written by women for the header of a Facebook forum for women members of a trade union. No trans women were involved - this was a spontaneous show of support by cis women. Since then a prominent TERF, and a prominent member of the union, who attacked me in the forum, has been ejected, and they have had to write a further statement, this time for the TU leadership, who made a statement in the press that women in his union were concerned about trans people gaining the right to self ID for a GRC. They've told him in no unc retain terms to stop talking over women and that they do not have serious concerns, but instead are addressing any concerns by discussion. I've been part of that debate too.
Anyway - some might call them traitor to women. In fact one TERF did say that before she stormed out. Oh hum. No loss.
MochaSoul
It's being enslaved of your own free will
Whatevs
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
ha ha! bye.
MochaSoul
It's being enslaved of your own free will
Yes, and that's precisely the kind of stifling of debate that has led to Woman's Place so thanks for that.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
no - it stifles abuse and encourages productive and respectful debate.
And don't thank me - it was nothing to do with me or as far as i know, any woman who is transgender.
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