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floofy
The 16% of leave voters who say they expected it to go badly and have been proved correct, what’s going on there? Are they all Bahnhof Strasse ?
A thank you to Brexiteers.
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RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Probably, yes, if only for the hell of it. But not to their faces in case they thump me.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
The other question that occurs, is what % of that cohort would have told us they knew it would have been "a success" if there had been any single manifestation of advantage to the change in neoliberal approach to trade.
Statistically speaking, the Leavers are dying off at a far faster rate than Remainers, so the confrontation should slowly wither. Eventually the younger generation who, of course, overwhelming voted to remain within the EU into which they were born, will likely do the right thing and take us back in.
philosophical
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I sense your attitude towards the Irish is basically dismissive. Would I be right?
The attitude of mainland Britain, mainly the English, has traditionally been anti Irish, something that might explain the victory of leave.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
No, both sides of my family originate from Ireland.
But I doubt if most of those voting leave ever really thought about Ireland as any kind of reason.
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philosophical
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I used to think that. However I now think many many who voted leave did so because they are anti Irish.
The fact is, however, that we cannot know all the reasons why 17 million people voted leave, we are left to speculate.
What is not open to speculation though is that leave won. Leave won voting for the whole of the UK to leave the EU.
The vote was a deliberate act, and it ushers in problems in Ireland.
People like me who repeatedly mention that fact are mocked, dismissed, equivocated with, ignored, sneered at, told by leave voters that a solution is not theirs to find.
I believe it is.
Right now I think every leave voting person, even the mythical half engaged sweet little old lady, are the ones who have caused the problem, and it is down to them to solve it.
Not the ‘weirdo’ (yet another deflecting term) remain voters.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Don't worry, I'm working on it.
Hopefully their short-sightedness, newspapers and racism die with them
Lies and greed?
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
This isn't in a specific order but I can identify a fair number.
1) The shafted shaft back.
2) "It were better when I were a lad"
3) Yes I believe the lies the Mail told me
4) Fuck it, YOLO
5) Fuck the EU the neoliberal wankers.
6) No that Neoliberal pratt Cameron can't tell me what to do
7) Stop the Forrins comin over
8) We have only to kick the door and the whole rotten edifice of Westminster/EU will come crashing down and finally a socialist utopia will be born!
9) That nice Mr Farridge promised me it'd sort it out
philosophical
Well-Known Member
How much longer will it take?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
2) Thing is, in many ways for many working class people things were better pre 1973(5).
Voting the EU out under a tory government will fix that
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Did you see number 8? We're going to hit socialism any minute now.
At least the Brexit voting, Mail reading racists did not end up with that famous antisemitic communist Corbyn. That was a sunlit upland for them for a few years.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
But large numbers of the key (voting) demographic were young (workers) in the Les Trente Glorieuses; in part why vacuous, nationalistic guff had such resonance.
philosophical
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I entered the wider world from the care system in 1971.
I have no idea what class that put or puts me in.
However I don’t believe things were better before the UK joined the EU than what life has been like since.
Maybe things have changed despite the UK being in the EU.
I do believe that because the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland were both members of the EU, it made it easier to get to the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement.
I have no idea what class that put or puts me in.
However I don’t believe things were better before the UK joined the EU than what life has been like since.
Maybe things have changed despite the UK being in the EU.
I do believe that because the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland were both members of the EU, it made it easier to get to the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Sure sure, I'm not sure why your trying to convince me because I do know how nostalgia works and that the human brain really likes to think "oh I'm still 20 years old" despite the owner being 20,30,40,50 years older than that.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I'm not really trying to convince anyone...it was so obviously a component of how the leave project connected with the older, voting cohorts. It's just that over the years some on here have expressed bewilderment at why the olders might have voted in the way that they did.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Wow, that’s delusional to an alarming level, have you had a savage blow to the head or something?
I don't think anyone was blaming the EU. Just stating that that is how a lot of people misunderstood things - largely thanks to the propaganda spewed out by the right-wing press to conceal the wealth and power grab by the rich.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Re. things being better for some/many working class folk pre-1973(5)...I'm only going on what I've heard from older rellies/friends regarding security of employment, quality of employment, community cohesion, relatively affordable housing and other basic aspirations, social housing availability, easily accessible health-care etc. etc.
e2a: I know that you and I can see that correlation ain't necessarily causation, but many folk operate on a much less subtle affective basis.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
That's not only a UK phenomenon though.
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
Maybe saying "fuck you" to the status quo with a vote to leave/rejoin the EU will become a once-in-a-generation tradition.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
True, but it's weaponisation in the interests of those hoping to benefit from Brexit is.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Anyone who bangs on about it as much as you do, as if it is literally the only aspect of Brexit worth talking about, is a fucking weirdo, whether you are able to recognise it or not
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