bimble
floofy
Yeah, they should cancel the whole thing this year, in a special announcement from Boris Johnson, saying that alas we will need to concentrate on making sure all Britons can access essential goods like medicines and fuel and burratas.
A thank you to Brexiteers.
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Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Eat proper British grub like star gazey pie and show the Eu we can look after ourselves
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Here is some much needed perspective and detail on the driver shortages. Which are both long run and caused by a multiplicity of factors: of which EU labour is a minor one. The shortfall existed before the 13,000 EU drivers went back home. Even if they returned today the shortages would remain acute. Poland has worse shortages and Germany the same as us. The issue is one of terms and conditions and the treatment of workers: not the end of the free flow of exploitative free movement of labour (no matter how much some pine for its return):
The real causes of the HGV driver shortage and why we can’t blame it all on Brexit
The HGV driver shortage has escalated to crisis point. As multiple theories circulate over the underlying cause, The Grocer has sourced exclusive data to uncover what's really driving the issue
www.thegrocer.co.uk
klang
klang
on the 23rd December.
bimble
floofy
yes. Which makes it even more enjoyable that the government is now about to try and fail to get EU drivers back to save our arses, instead of announcing a major infrastructure plan to make the job more appealing, like the EU did this week.Here is some much needed perspective and detail on the driver shortages. Which are both long run and caused by a multiplicity of factors: of which EU labour is a minor one. The shortfall existed before the 13,000 EU drivers went back home. Even if they returned today the shortages would remain acute. Poland has worse shortages and Germany the same as us. The issue is one of terms and conditions and the treatment of workers: not the end of the free flow of exploitative free movement of labour (no matter how much some pine for its return):
The real causes of the HGV driver shortage and why we can’t blame it all on Brexit
The HGV driver shortage has escalated to crisis point. As multiple theories circulate over the underlying cause, The Grocer has sourced exclusive data to uncover what's really driving the issue
andysays
Love and solidarity
Either that or go back to the true meaning of Christmas, waking up in a drafty stable and having to wait another two weeks for three blokes from the east to finally deliver some presents...
bimble
floofy
bollocks. they're doing the temp visas for turkey processors as well as lorry drivers.
'Up to 5,000 temporary visas could be granted for HGV drivers, it has been reported, while the FT said a similar number would be approved for food processing workers, especially in the poultry industry..'
www.theguardian.com
'Up to 5,000 temporary visas could be granted for HGV drivers, it has been reported, while the FT said a similar number would be approved for food processing workers, especially in the poultry industry..'
Short-term UK visa scheme expected to tackle Christmas delivery disruption
Industry figures express frustration and relief over plan to relieve UK’s lorry driver shortage
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Utter nightmare job. Can you realistically think of a worse one?bollocks. they're doing the temp visas for turkey processors as well as lorry drivers.
'Up to 5,000 temporary visas could be granted for HGV drivers, it has been reported, while the FT said a similar number would be approved for food processing workers, especially in the poultry industry..'
Short-term UK visa scheme expected to tackle Christmas delivery disruption
Industry figures express frustration and relief over plan to relieve UK’s lorry driver shortage
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
It does indeed suggest that the Tories are as clueless as continuity remain. According to that report over 70,000 drivers left the trade during the pandemic: only 12,000 of them EU nationals. It’s the loss of drivers to other parts of the economy, the demographic drain and the failure to tackle employers who’ve failed to invest and train for years that needs to be tackled (not that you’d know it from this thread). Fortunately, workers and their unions are acting to address these issues and to bring pay and terms and conditions into the 21st century.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
this governement is going to pay to train and invest in the workforce
they just removed a 20 quid payment from universal credit
and are talking about removing tacho breaks and dragging down the skill level required for existing workers
fair play to the unions but good luck with this government
they just removed a 20 quid payment from universal credit
and are talking about removing tacho breaks and dragging down the skill level required for existing workers
fair play to the unions but good luck with this government
bimble
floofy
Thats the thing, its also highly skilled, you need to choose to learn the trade. I don't know how high wages would have to get for significant amounts of people in the UK to think I want to be a meat processor when i grow up, but really quite high.
And our chicken in the supermarkets is ridiculously cheap, imo, but then i could afford to pay more & not everyone could.
andysays
Love and solidarity
I remember talking to a scaffold lorry driver at the beginning of Covid when all their work was drying up - he was asking if the Council were taking on drivers for the bin lorries.
What a difference 18 months makes...
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Yep BEIS does fuel and oil both up and down stream. Sounds like another Shapps fuck up.hahaha.
"According to Ministry of Defence sources, troops are being mobilized and sent to fuel depots across the country this weekend in an effort to resolve the fuel supply problems. "..
"There аlso аppeаrs to be а misunderstаnding аbout where а request for militаry аssistаnce should come from, with the Ministry of Defence believing it should come from the Depаrtment for Business, Energy аnd Industriаl Strаtegy (BEIS), rаther thаn Mr Shаpps’ trаnsport depаrtment. “It is our understаnding thаt а request for militаry drivers would come from BEIS,” а MoD officiаl told me.
HGV shortage: Under Operation Escalin, hundreds of troops could be ready to deliver petrol within hours. - Techno Trenz
Hundreds of military personnel could be making fuel deliveries within hours to fill empty pumps, but ministers have yet to ask the Ministry of Defence for assistance in resolving acute supply issues on UK forecourts. The Ministry of Defense is ready to provide drivers to help alleviate the fuel...technotrenz.com
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Trad are a good firm. They furloughed all the staff and shut down. Paid them proper. It was the longest break my best mate has has since he left school at fifteen. They also have one of the smallest levels of stock shrinkage ion London. Wonder why?
bimble
floofy
Yes. Short term it could potentially get scary and people are clearly freaking out about petrol .
I assume that’s why government has suddenly caved after 3 months and announced the temp visas thing (and are apparently about to mobilise the army).
TopCat
Putin fanboy
The temp visa thing is not just like turning on a tap. Many of my east euro pals and colleagues were gutted to be stuck here during lockdown. They saved their pennies and went home when they could. Reportedly things are brighter in Poland money wise but deffo not in Romania.
bimble
floofy
yep i don't think they're coming back here. Army it is then, until newly qualified drivers next year.
andysays
Love and solidarity
My recollection is that this conversation happened in the very early days, when no one knew what was going to happen, before furlough was a thing.
There was also speculation that if lots of people from the waste went sick, they would need to recruit more HGV drivers, and people from my department, grounds maintenance, would get brought in to keep that service running. Fortunately it never came to that.
Some people on this thread would probably have suggested they should have just recruited more drivers from poorer EU states...
andysays
Love and solidarity
Nah, they're only "skills" not people
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
other people on this thread would have suggested the government subsidise the unemployed to retrain in the hope of find gainful employment
rather than demonising them and treating them like second class citizen whilst fucking off european workers
and calling it a win
fuck me they have spent the last few months going once we get thouse lazy stay at home fuckers off furlough we have a bunch of desperate people looking for work
it will sort itself out
guess what its not working and this is the start
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Excellent read from Private Eye on the truth behind the driver shortages at Tesco. Surprise, surprise, it’s got nothing to do with Brexit.
But of course capital, and it’s increasingly hysterical cheerleaders, must blame it. Otherwise, they’d need to blame themselves…
But of course capital, and it’s increasingly hysterical cheerleaders, must blame it. Otherwise, they’d need to blame themselves…
Supine
Newt Member
If it's a particularly hot day and I need water then I will buy a nice cheap bottle of chilled water from the supermarket.
Would be weird not to really.
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