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A thank you to Brexiteers.

andysays said:
Weren't you (maybe it wasn't you, but it was certainly someone) suggesting a few weeks ago that the solution to the driver shortage was to offer them all temporary visas as haulage industry bosses were demanding?

What if, as would be perfectly understandable, EU drivers don't rush immediately rush here in great numbers?

Would you and others then recognise that there is an underlying problem with the way many industries have been dependent on attracting large numbers of cheaper workers from the EU or elsewhere rather than creating conditions where jobs can be and are done by long term residents in the country where they're living, rather than the inherently unstable system we've seen in recent decades?
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If they come rushing back or not makes no difference to the underlying causes does it? certainly wouldn't change my mind about anything.

The underlying cause is that whole swathes of our economy have evolved to become totally dependant on migrants from poorer counties to function (agriculture food transport hospitality etc) .
I don't think theres any difference between 'brexit caused the shortages' and 'underlying issues that made us dependant on migrant labour caused the shortages'.
& I don't think its at all likely that the underlying causes are going to be fixed.
Certainly not with agriculture anyway. With lorry drivers it would mean for instance massive proper investment in infrastructure to make the job less shit, that seems unlikely to happen but if it does it would take years, and whether temp visas are issued now or not won't change anything really.
 
bimble said:
If they come rushing back or not makes no difference to the underlying causes does it? certainly wouldn't change my mind about anything.

The underlying cause is that whole swathes of our economy have evolved to become totally dependant on migrants from poorer counties to function (agriculture food transport hospitality etc) .
I don't think theres any difference between 'brexit caused the shortages' and 'underlying issues that made us dependant on migrant labour caused the shortages'.
& I don't think its at all likely that the underlying causes are going to be fixed.
Certainly not with agriculture anyway. With lorry drivers it would mean for instance massive proper investment in infrastructure to make the job less shit, that seems unlikely to happen but if it does it would take years, and whether temp visas are issued now or not won't change anything really.
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Yeh cos everything was rosy and autarkic years back

If you ignore the seasonal labourers coming over from Ireland to work on harvests. And it's not like railways and canals and motorways built themselves. Careful listeners to McAlpine's Fusiliers will note the Irish narrator had worked alongside Russians, Czechs and Poles. And the construction firm Murphy was founded by a man from Cork.
 
Pickman's model said:
Yeh cos everything was rosy and autarkic years back

If you ignore the seasonal labourers coming over from Ireland to work on harvests. And it's not like railways and canals and motorways built themselves. Careful listeners to McAlpine's Fusiliers will note the Irish narrator had worked alongside Russians, Czechs and Poles. And the construction firm Murphy was founded by a man from Cork.
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Isn't it about time Britain became part of the the Republic of Ireland?
 
the fail living up to its name

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what we need is relaxed immigration rule to lure european workers


Brexit was so worth it :thumbs:
 
oh. UK should definitely do something like this. EU just agreed 600 million euros investment in improving truck parking facilties.
fleet.ie

IRU & ETF welcome new EU funding for Safe & Secure Truck Parking areas - Fleet Transport

The International Road Transport Union (IRU), the world road transport organisation, and ETF, Europe’s Transport Workers’ Federation, have welcomed the European Commission´s launch of a call for proposals to access €100 million in CEF funding to improve the network of safe and secure truck...
fleet.ie fleet.ie
 
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i just learnt that in the 1970s oil crisis, the government here introduced a national speed limit of 50mph. I'd be up for that coming back.
 
Ax^ said:
build something useful but how would they fund Boris latest bullshit grand idea


like a boat or a fantasy bridge to belfast
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Boris Johnson will lay the foundation stone of the grytviken - buenos aires friendship bridge in a couple of years. Then he'll start working on the second stone, the third and so on
 
Couple of questions...

Is the festival of Brexit still on next year?

Given the failings of our incompetent government will we see a return of three days weekends?
 
of course trying to entice workers whilst repeatly highlighting temporary visa


sure to get workers to change their whole lifestyle, apply for a passport , national insurance and catch a ferry from france another country

whilst they can move around Europe with photo id and the wage and job shortages are the same



#worldbeating Brexit taking back control

:facepalm:
 
Fuck it, i hope there are absolutely no turkeys at xmas, and no pigs in blankets either, and maybe even a notable booze shortage, and that it gets blamed on the government and not on covid. Don't want anyone to go hungry obvs but absolutely no bulgarians should come to our rescue at this point to smooth things over for Johnson and co.
 
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