A thank you to Brexiteers.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Good article that, thanks.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Obviously need to go to through the sub editor on this threadThis was published Friday, which was the first I'd heard of it:
Driver shortage crisis: grant 10,000 temporary visas to EU workers, says Logistics UK
<p>Government must prioritise the granting of 10,000 temporary work visas to encourage EU drivers to return to support the UK’s supply chain, according to business group Logistics UK.</p>logistics.org.uk
E2a actually a correction... the first i heard of it was one or two people tweeting that the government had rejected the request, (they's heard it on the news apparently but no links) so I googled and found the above article but that was all at the time.
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
Had one once as a kid and vomited soon after
As long as their coffee, best value on the high street and good for the price, is still about, all will be well
bimble
floofy
It must be about ten years ago I bought a McDonald’s strawberry milkshake at a motorway services and for the next hour kept thinking I was going to puke all over my friends van. Properly disgusting. Anyway, good if drivers are abandoning McDonald’s for other jobs delivering actual food.
UK economy slows sharply as staff shortages reach record levels
Labour crisis that has caused restaurant closures and empty shelves holds back UK economic recovery
www.independent.co.uk
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
see, the tories are in charge but still it's reported as a labour crisisUK economy slows sharply as staff shortages reach record levels
Labour crisis that has caused restaurant closures and empty shelves holds back UK economic recovery
andysays
Love and solidarity
It's probably too much to expect many here to actually read the whole article, but the final paragraph is worth quoting
andysays
Love and solidarity
You are one of those who appears to want to simply bicker about Brexit.
For all your posts on this thread, you actually have nothing to say.
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
I asked a simple question. How has your life improved?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
he talks so much more to you these days, which is a great pleasure to him no doubt
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
we all want to bicker about brexit. the brexit bickering is the only brexit benefit. think about the sort of things we'd be discussing if we didn't have brexit
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
Bicker? What the fuck is that meant to mean? Come on then & post all the positives of Brexit. Post them rather than slag me off.
Post what is better for you.
Post something positive for those living in Tottenham. I bloody dare you.
andysays
Love and solidarity
That's rather selective quoting though. The whole paragraph saysThat FT writer would get short shrift if she came on this thread and said "Brexit helped cause this current crisis, other countries have shown how the sector's pay issues could have been resolved without Brexit, now it's time to stop bickering about Brexit."
The story of Britain’s empty shelves, like that of its unpicked strawberries and unprocessed chickens, is the story of how migration combined with a weakly regulated labour market and hugely powerful retailers have allowed some goods and services to become unsustainably cheap. The system shaved money off our shopping bills but it wasn’t resilient. Remain voters are right to say Brexit helped to cause the current crisis, but wrong to say everything was fine without it. Brexit voters are right to say migration helped suppress driver pay, but as the Netherlands shows, Brexit wasn’t the only way to resolve it.
Brexit probably wasn't the only way to to resolve the problem, and it may not be adequately resolved even with Brexit.
Very few posters here ever argued that simply leaving the EU would actually resolve all our problems, but we have argued that it would change, to some extent, the context in which these issues were worked through.
Too many here still seem to be saying that everything was great before Brexit, and blaming everything bad that happens on the fact of Brexit, without recognising that it could present workers with the opportunity to improve their pay and conditions
Adrian Jones of the union Unite says the short supply means drivers now have a moment of leverage. He wants to see long-term reforms such as in the Netherlands, where a collective agreement is negotiated between employer and union groups which sets a floor on pay and conditions across the sector. “This collective agreement becomes law, so it gives transport suppliers the ability to say to their customers: this is law, so I can’t go cheaper than this,” says Edwin Atema from Dutch union FNV.
I'd rather explore this sort of idea in the present than the endless focus on the way people voted in a referendum five years ago or on what short-term fixes employers are calling for, but maybe that's simply not possible for many on this thread who are more interested in finger pointing.
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
I love bickering but andysays suddenly has not much to say. You get more out of AndyPandy to be honest. Actually I will take that back until Andypandy has had a chance to reply.we all want to bicker about brexit. the brexit bickering is the only brexit benefit. think about the sort of things we'd be discussing if we didn't have brexit
bimble
floofy
Isn’t the problem though that instead of paying good money to fruit pickers and chicken processors the country will just import these things, because it’s cheaper.
like this man in the telegraph said yesterday, fuck food production in the uk who needs it it’s a ‘low value industry’
like this man in the telegraph said yesterday, fuck food production in the uk who needs it it’s a ‘low value industry’
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andysays
Love and solidarity
You seem to be mistaking not being interesting in responding to pointless questions from a pointless poster with not having anything to say.
I'm afraid I'm unable to provide any updates on the availability of milkshakes in the Tottenham branch of McDonalds, which appears to be the only level of discussion you're interested in or capable of.
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
I am not asking that am I? What is better about your life in Tottenham since Brexit?
Pretty simple question but just slag me off rather than answering it.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Your question (even though you may not realise it) implies an entirely passive relationship with the world - "how has your life become better?" - rather than an active one - "how have you contributed to making the lives of those in your community better?"
As it happens, in my role as a workplace rep for my union, over the past few weeks I have successfully negotiated with my manager for the number of trained first aiders in my department to be increased from eight to eleven, ensuring that each team has their own first aider.
What have you done to make the world a better place, apart from shit posting on the internet?
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
Lovely response. You are AndyPandy & I claim my £5
Let us get this straight so there is no argument, as a workplace rep for your union Brexit has enabled you to have eleven first aiders in your department? Was this not possible without Brexit?
What I have or have not done is really not what we are talking about is it?
Please 'in plain English' State the benefits for a trade union rep in Tottenham.
andysays
Love and solidarity
I'm not here to jump through your hoops or answer your inane questions.
bimble
floofy
Switzerland does something different, pay is high everything’s crazy expensive & there are really full on strict protectionist policies to prevent cheap imported meat from destroying their domestic food production .
It’s not impossible I just don’t think that’s the way it’s looking to go here, at all. See the fab trade deals we are about to enjoy with New Zealand etc.
It’s not impossible I just don’t think that’s the way it’s looking to go here, at all. See the fab trade deals we are about to enjoy with New Zealand etc.
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
Well if you can't answer simple questions then do what you can. I have asked you in a civil tone what are the benefits of Brexit to as it turns out a union Rep in Tottenham and really you have not answered anything that I have asked but your personal insults have been noted but also ignored.
FOR FUCK SAKE HOW IS YOUR LIFE BETTER AFTER BREXIT.
It is not a hoop but a simple question.
Supine
Newt Member
At the factory I’m working at 150 full time staff have just been laid off as a group of products have been moved from Kent to Europe by the customer. That is a direct effect of brexit that you seem to still think was a good idea but can’t articulate why the positives outweigh the raising number of negatives. Their union couldn’t do a thing about it.
None of my comments in this thread should be seen as a direct attack on urban brexiteers btw. Brexit was always going to be run by the tories and they are totally to blame for the way it has been carried out. Lexiteers are irrelevant to what is happening.
#worldbeating
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Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Obviously, I don’t know where you are working and I don’t know the specifics of the issue but solidarity to those losing their jobs. It’s fucking awful news.
However, the last sentence in your post is plainly wrong. In the last 6 weeks Labour has announced a raft of procurement measures - many directly lifted from ‘the lexiteers’ - that would guarantee well paid jobs, billions of pounds of investment in the UK, use the social and environmental stretch clauses in public contracts to raise standards and invest in reshoring jobs. They are on the cusp of announcing an infrastructure plan that will be unfettered by EU State Aid rules. Brexit was, is and will be a process. Remain or leave would always have been shit under Johnson. The long term is a different matter. Far from irrelevant I’d argue that the ideas of left leave are becoming the future
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