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Maltin said:
Doesn't look like getting a visa for students is that straightforward either. What a surprise. What happened to the Erasmus replacement they proposed?

www.bbc.co.uk

Visa delays hit UK students heading to Spain to study

Students due to spend a year in Spain as part of their degree are hit with post-Brexit visa delays.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Perfectly straightforward to get a visa for courses at the University of West Ospringe's 'Outremer' Leysdown campus; why all the (continuity) remoaniac whingeing?
 
My Tesco mega-bag of 30 assorted flavours crisps has just gone up from £2.85 to £3.00....yer Brexity feckers.
 
Spymaster said:
Hopefully that there's not enough of it.
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There is not. Found a version of the article, it says 'The Association of Independent Meat Suppliers is set to urge HM Prison Service to prioritise food suppliers for the release on temporary licence (ROTL) programme at a meeting this week..Spokesperson Tony Goodger said: 'Last week I contacted HMP Hollesley Bay, in Suffolk, for a member but the rehabilitation officer there told me, "Normally I would bite your hand off, but we have got such a big demand for inmates at the moment that we've reached our quota and we are not allowed to let any more out to go to work".'
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i cant find anything about whether prisoners get paid a normal rate for their work or not.
 
bimble said:
There is not. Found a version of the article, it says 'The Association of Independent Meat Suppliers is set to urge HM Prison Service to prioritise food suppliers for the release on temporary licence (ROTL) programme at a meeting this week..Spokesperson Tony Goodger said: 'Last week I contacted HMP Hollesley Bay, in Suffolk, for a member but the rehabilitation officer there told me, "Normally I would bite your hand off, but we have got such a big demand for inmates at the moment that we've reached our quota and we are not allowed to let any more out to go to work".'
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i cant find anything about whether prisoners get paid a normal rate for their work or not.
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Of course they're not paid a normal rate for their work
 
bimble said:
i cant find anything about whether prisoners get paid a normal rate for their work or not.
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according to this
www.russellwebster.com

Earning and spending money in prison

New Prison Inspectors report on earning and spending money in prison reveals a number of injustices including the fact that pay has been frozen for 14 years.
www.russellwebster.com www.russellwebster.com
The rate of prison pay has not been increased since 2002(!) and is set out in Prison Service Order 4460 which requires:
  • that all prisoners who are in some form of employment have to earn the minimum of £4 a week, although they can earn more; in 2010 the average working prisoner earned £10 a week
  • a mandatory rate of pay of £3.25 a week for those who are unable to work for health reasons or have reached retirement age
  • that those who wish to work, but are unable to due to a lack of activity places in the prison, are paid a minimum of £2.50 a week
  • that unconvicted prisoners who choose to work are paid the same as convicted prisoners.
 
ska invita said:
according to this
www.russellwebster.com

Earning and spending money in prison

New Prison Inspectors report on earning and spending money in prison reveals a number of injustices including the fact that pay has been frozen for 14 years.
www.russellwebster.com www.russellwebster.com
The rate of prison pay has not been increased since 2002(!) and is set out in Prison Service Order 4460 which requires:
  • that all prisoners who are in some form of employment have to earn the minimum of £4 a week, although they can earn more; in 2010 the average working prisoner earned £10 a week
  • a mandatory rate of pay of £3.25 a week for those who are unable to work for health reasons or have reached retirement age
  • that those who wish to work, but are unable to due to a lack of activity places in the prison, are paid a minimum of £2.50 a week
  • that unconvicted prisoners who choose to work are paid the same as convicted prisoners.
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Isn't the level of remuneration for employment on temp licence normally a matter between the employer and the employee rather than the above which applies to work in prisons ?? Its years since I went to a Probation/ Timpsons seminar on ROTL and permanent employment opportunities and the only thing I can remember was that there is a levy of wages that goes to a Victims Fund.
 
The39thStep said:
Isn't the level of remuneration for employment on temp licence normally a matter between the employer and the employee rather than the above which applies to work in prisons ?? Its years since I went to a Probation/ Timpsons seminar on ROTL and permanent employment opportunities and the only thing I can remember was that there is a levy of wages that goes to a Victims Fund.
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i dont know - my memory of it from a distant past is that earnings and spending whilst serving are heavily capped in all circumstances
that link backs up my memory of it
 
An ex colleague, who works in NOMs, just sent me this :

4.24. ROTL for work placements may be authorised only where a Memorandum of Understanding signed by all three parties (prison, prisoner and provider) is in place. A member of staff deemed competent by the Governor must sign on behalf of the prison. The prisoner and provider should be directed to read all of the provisions of the MOU before signing. The templates at annex D (Paid Placement) and E (Unpaid Placement) must be used and the prisoner and the provider must be advised at the time of signing that:
• the MOU is not a contract of employment;
• the placement may be terminated at any point by any party to the MOU;
• if the placement is terminated, this does not constitute a dismissal for the purposes of the Employment Rights Act 1996; and
• a contract of employment is not required and should not be used for prisoners in work placements. This does not prevent the provider and prisoner entering into a contract which comes into effect after the prisoner’s release
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4.25. In cases of paid work placements, the following principles apply: • the Placement Provider must certify that serving prisoners do not constitute a majority of its workforce and that its business is not dependent on prisoner labour;
• although prisoners are specifically excluded from the provisions of the National Minimum Wage (NMW) Act 1998, the prisoner should be paid at the same rate as ROTL Policy Framework Re-issued: 17 August 2021 22 others doing the same job for the Placement Provider i.e. at least the relevant NMW. Where the Placement Provider is required to provide specific training for prisoners, a “training wage” below NMW equivalent level is permissible for a maximum of three months;
• ordinarily, the prisoner is expected to meet the cost of meals and travel to and from work (but see Section 6.5 for guidance). When the Placement Provider provides other benefits such as transport or meals, a suitable deduction to the prisoner’s wage may be agreed and must be noted in the Memorandum of Understanding. This does not apply where the prisoner is on a “training wage”;
• although the offender is not an employee or a “worker”, the Placement Provider must agree to apply, so far as is possible and subject to licence conditions, similar terms and conditions of employment relating to pay, holiday entitlement, sickness and other benefits, grievance and disciplinary rules and procedures, and notice periods (applicable to the provider) as apply to others doing the same work; and
• the Placement Provider must ensure that the prisoner’s pay, less the deductions they make, such as tax and national insurance, is deposited into the HMPPS bank account. Payments must not be made directly to the offender.
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So around the minimum wage -ish with time limited exceptions
 
ska invita said:
according to this
www.russellwebster.com

Earning and spending money in prison

New Prison Inspectors report on earning and spending money in prison reveals a number of injustices including the fact that pay has been frozen for 14 years.
www.russellwebster.com www.russellwebster.com
The rate of prison pay has not been increased since 2002(!) and is set out in Prison Service Order 4460 which requires:
  • that all prisoners who are in some form of employment have to earn the minimum of £4 a week, although they can earn more; in 2010 the average working prisoner earned £10 a week
  • a mandatory rate of pay of £3.25 a week for those who are unable to work for health reasons or have reached retirement age
  • that those who wish to work, but are unable to due to a lack of activity places in the prison, are paid a minimum of £2.50 a week
  • that unconvicted prisoners who choose to work are paid the same as convicted prisoners.
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Not quite at American levels but I'm sure we're working on legislation paying prisoners 0.0001p per 3 hours.
 
If supermarkets were truthful.

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ska invita said:
according to this
www.russellwebster.com

Earning and spending money in prison

New Prison Inspectors report on earning and spending money in prison reveals a number of injustices including the fact that pay has been frozen for 14 years.
www.russellwebster.com www.russellwebster.com
The rate of prison pay has not been increased since 2002(!) and is set out in Prison Service Order 4460 which requires:
  • that all prisoners who are in some form of employment have to earn the minimum of £4 a week, although they can earn more; in 2010 the average working prisoner earned £10 a week
  • a mandatory rate of pay of £3.25 a week for those who are unable to work for health reasons or have reached retirement age
  • that those who wish to work, but are unable to due to a lack of activity places in the prison, are paid a minimum of £2.50 a week
  • that unconvicted prisoners who choose to work are paid the same as convicted prisoners.
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When you take rent, council tax, tube fares and food in to account I reckon most convicts are better off at the end of each month than a huge number of Londoners…
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
When you take rent, council tax, tube fares and food in to account I reckon most convicts are better off at the end of each month than a huge number of Londoners…
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Most cities are built on low wages these days, unfortunately. Todays 'convicts' are tomorrow's citizens. This apparent labour shortage is an excellent opportunity to get those who will be released into training and work. Employment and drug/lifestyle issues are key to reducing offending. Prisons are training about 2000 to be chefs , lots of firms now taking ex-prisoners. I'm all for it.
 
Fucking (continuity) remoaniacs whinging on and on about there being nothing of the supermarket shelves...proof that they're lying...

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