A thank you to Brexiteers.

[Colin Hunt]

Well i never said collaboration was easy, and it isn’t when it comes to attempted monetary union between disparate economies. It doesn’t mean being separationist offers any significant benefits though.

Thanks to EU-mandated labour law reforms manufacturing workers in Portugal will soon be paid less per hour than Chinese manufacturing workers, and the average hourly wage in Greece fell by over 50% in a 7-year period. Being separationist in that context would probably mean a better deal for Greek and Portuguese working people.

I don't want to get sucked in to debates about woolly stuff like 'collaboration' and 'sovereignty' because there's no point to it. If we accept that the EU and the UK are both neoliberal hellscapes, what makes one better than the other?

To use a possibly shit analogy, think of a neoliberal UK as a burning boat. Bringing up the EU and the referendum is akin to wanting to be on another burning boat which you think has slightly nicer furniture. I'd rather we all mucked in and tried to put the fire out.

 

[Pickman's model]

Thanks to EU-mandated labour law reforms manufacturing workers in Portugal will soon be paid less per hour than Chinese manufacturing workers, and the average hourly wage in Greece fell by over 50% in a 7-year period. Being separationist in that context would probably mean a better deal for Greek and Portuguese working people.

I don't want to get sucked in to debates about woolly stuff like 'collaboration' and 'sovereignty' because there's no point to it. If we accept that the EU and the UK are both neoliberal hellscapes, what makes one better than the other?

To use a possibly shit analogy, think of a neoliberal UK as a burning boat. Bringing up the EU and the referendum is akin to wanting to be on another burning boat which you think has slightly nicer furniture. I'd rather we all mucked in and tried to put the fire out.

Do you have a link for these law reforms?

 

[Serge Forward]

Leaf means leaf

Control of our (herbaceous) borders!

 

[Artaxerxes]

US religious groups have been targeting referendums in Ireland, so there's that. And there's a rise of fash which has some strange alliances with groups in the UK and across the British border. There are also concerns about British people coming to live in Ireland and how they might influence local politics and the culture.

It's a mad old mix.

A great deal of fash US money was involved in pushing for brexit - particularly in norn I believe.

MP demands investigation into Farage’s US, dark money pro-Brexit campaign group

Stark warning of US-style Super PACs arriving in UK as Brexit Party leader launches dark-money-funded campaign group in New York.

www.opendemocracy.net

 

[Colin Hunt]

Do you have a link for these law reforms?

I (very) briefly summarised some of the law reforms in question in the last 3 paragraphs of this post. If you'd like more details on the reforms demanded by the EC and IMF your best bet is probably to look at the economic adjustment programmes for Greece and Portugal. The first Greek programme is set out here. The second Greek programme is set out here and contains a summary of some of the changes to Greek labour laws made in response to the first programme, as well as recommendations for further action (pp. 37-41). The Portuguese programme is set out here.

If you'd like more details on the implementation of the reforms, and their effects on collective bargaining, wages, and working time, here are a few papers to check out:

Stefan Clauwaert & Isabelle Schömann, The crisis and national labour law reforms: a mapping exercise (European Trade Union Institute 2012) (Available free online)
Aristea Koukiadaki, Miguel Martinez Lucio and Isabel Tavora, The Legacy of Thatcherism in European Labour Relations: The Impact of the Politics of Neo-Liberalism and Austerity on Collective Bargaining in a Fragmenting Europe (Institute of Employment Rights 2017) (Also free and probably the easiest read out of the 4 linked papers)
Keith Ewing, 'The Death of Social Europe' (2015) 26(1) King's Law Journal 76 (Paywalled but available for free online elsewhere)
Aristea Koukiadaki and Lefteris Kretsos, 'Opening Pandora’s Box: The Sovereign Debt Crisis and Labour Market Regulation in Greece' (2012) 41(3) Industrial Law Journal 276 (Same as above)

My sources for the claims about wages are a pair of Euromonitor International reports entitled 'Wage per Hour' and 'Wage per Hour in Manufacturing' that were both released in 2017. Sadly I can't link to them but for commentary on both reports chapter 7 of Julian Germann, Unwitting Architect: German Primacy and the Origins of Neoliberalism (Stanford University Press 2021) is a good read. It is also available for free online.

 

[MrSki]

So not looking too good for car electric car production in Wales.

 

[Raheem]

Leave means leave.

 

[The39thStep]

December 2020 means December 2020

 

[gosub]

So not looking too good for car electric car production in Wales.

That might be a fuck up but actually positioned itself quite well with regards electric cars....Trouble is think the future is hydrogen cell (even worse there are currently only 3 hydrogen cell refill stations in the UK.....we may be BETAMAXing

 

[andysays]

Good news for creatives

Photographer, farmer and plasterer job ads rise

The first week of August saw 1.7m active job ads in the UK, new research has found. Job ads for photographers and broadcasting equipment operators saw the largest rise, up 19% on last week, according to the Recruitment & Employment Confederation (REC).

 

[Spymaster]

The EU are going to MURDER millions of stray dogs and cats

Tip of the iceberg. First they came for the strays ....

The strays in Europe

The domestic dog has a predisposition to exhibit a social intelligence that is uncommon in the animal world - the neglected and homeless dogs suffer heavily , both physically and mentally .

www.esdaw.eu

 

[Artaxerxes]

Good news for creatives

Photographer, farmer and plasterer job ads rise

Occupation	Unique active job postings, 2-8 August	Change in active job postings, 26 July-1 August to 2-8 August
Photographers, audio-visual and broadcasting equipment operators	1,506	19.3%
Insurance underwriters	1,667	15.5%
Farm workers	489	9.2%
Plasterers	1,002	8.2%
Launderers, dry cleaners and pressers	375	7.8%
Painters and decorators	3,675	4.7%
Postal workers, mail sorters, messengers and couriers	1,464	4.3%
Electrical and electronics technicians	835	3.7%
Chartered architectural technologists	394	3.7%
Credit controllers	3,327	3.5%
-
Butchers	321	-6.4%
Refuse and salvage occupations	1,677	-6.5%
Sewing machinists	485	-6.6%
Hotel and accommodation managers and proprietors	922	-7.8%
Market research interviewers	1,160	-8.8%
Bakers and flour confectioners	418	-9.3%
Health associate professionals n.e.c.	1,005	-9.9%
Elementary security occupations n.e.c.	315	-10.3%
Teaching and other educational professionals n.e.c.	10,401	-14.7%
Playworkers	487	-20.6%

Jobs Recovery Tracker: Number of new job adverts ramps up after final COVID restrictions lifted :: The REC

In the week of 2-8 August, there were a total of 1.65 million active job adverts in the UK, according to the Recruitment & Employment Confederation (REC)’s latest Jobs Recovery Tracker.

www.rec.uk.com

 

[krtek a houby]

The EU are going to MURDER millions of stray dogs and cats

Tip of the iceberg. First they came for the strays ....

The strays in Europe

The domestic dog has a predisposition to exhibit a social intelligence that is uncommon in the animal world - the neglected and homeless dogs suffer heavily , both physically and mentally .

www.esdaw.eu

Hmmm

Christ. What is it about cats that makes people lose their fucking minds.

 

[editor]

Good news for creatives

Photographer, farmer and plasterer job ads rise

What's that got to do with Brexit?

The article makes no mention of Brexit but does however state:

The spike comes in the three weeks since Covid restrictions were lifted.

Jobs Recovery Tracker: Number of new job adverts ramps up after final COVID restrictions lifted :: The REC

In the week of 2-8 August, there were a total of 1.65 million active job adverts in the UK, according to the Recruitment & Employment Confederation (REC)’s latest Jobs Recovery Tracker.

www.rec.uk.com

And no mention here either. Why are you posting up off topic and irrelevant news?

 

[The39thStep]

The EU are going to MURDER millions of stray dogs and cats

Tip of the iceberg. First they came for the strays ....

The strays in Europe

The domestic dog has a predisposition to exhibit a social intelligence that is uncommon in the animal world - the neglected and homeless dogs suffer heavily , both physically and mentally .

www.esdaw.eu

We’ve got a People Animals Nature Party here with four seats in the Assembly . Sort of like a cross between the Greens and the Cats Protection League

 

[Spymaster]

Hmmm

Errrr ... kind of the point!

 

[MrSki]

Well I suppose it is what they voted for.

 

[Badgers]

Leave means leave.

All the businesses leave?

That was not on the side of the bus I saw. At least the NHS are getting their £350m windfall #ToryScum

 

[Badgers]

The EU are going to MURDER millions of stray dogs and cats

Tip of the iceberg. First they came for the strays ....

The strays in Europe

The domestic dog has a predisposition to exhibit a social intelligence that is uncommon in the animal world - the neglected and homeless dogs suffer heavily , both physically and mentally .

www.esdaw.eu

If it is a choice between cats/dogs and wildlife I can't see an issue here.

 

[Dogsauce]

The EU are going to MURDER millions of stray dogs and cats

Tip of the iceberg. First they came for the strays ....

The strays in Europe

The domestic dog has a predisposition to exhibit a social intelligence that is uncommon in the animal world - the neglected and homeless dogs suffer heavily , both physically and mentally .

www.esdaw.eu

That’s great. The pavements here in Portugal are strewn with dogshit from all the strays, and they’ve been known to chase cyclists in packs (experienced this myself on a couple of occasions). Get rid.

 

[Dogsauce]

Good news for creatives

Photographer, farmer and plasterer job ads rise

Hmmm, I wonder what organisation might be desperately seeking Broadcast Equipment Engineers right now...

 

[quiet guy]

 

[Badgers]

 

[Maggot]

Brexit has brought no benefits, UK manufacturers say

There are no benefits as a result of Brexit, Make UK, an organisation representing UK manufacturers has said.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

 

[Badgers]

At least we have blue/black passports (made in the EU and flogged to us) and increasing racism.

#worldbeating

 

[The39thStep]

 

[brogdale]

Lordy.

 

[extra dry]

fairly good harmony but they are all a bit loopy.

 

[Spymaster]

I though bimble's red headband thing was quite fetching.

 

[gosub]

fairly good harmony but they are all a bit loopy.

Well if they are still trying to influence what May and Corbyn do quite happy to leave them to it