liquidindian
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A concept that says that suburban sprawl isn't great isn't really refuted by an example that shows suburban sprawl isn't great.
A concept that says that suburban sprawl isn't great isn't really refuted by an example that shows suburban sprawl isn't great.
The cars have got even uglier since then. I can't see any SUVs.muh freedoms.
I have noticed one guy i follow on insta go down this rabbit hole. Which is strange because he lives in Bumfuckly, Yorkshire and seems to enjoy his grandkids and walking. People genuinely don't see how they are being manipulated by app algorhythms (sp?)
Londoners, does the M40 still look like this every morning? This is how I remember it.
A 15 minute city is not one that you can get to every part of in 15 minutes.So 15-minuteness isn't really a useful concept
A 15 minute city is not one that you can get to every part of in 15 minutes.
they've all got only one person in.The cars have got even uglier since then. I can't see any SUVs.
It's a result of the conspiraloons turningThe thing with the giant gates trapping you in your suburb, it's just another example of something completely made up that's now believed by thousands of people.
It almost makes you want to actually have a talk with one of these people. Ask them where they got their information from. Ask them about a few of the reasons why what they're saying is obviously insane. Doubt it would be productive though. They'd just lose their shit and scream that you were one of 'them' whoever the fuck 'they' are.
Well the problem is surely that those neighbourhoods, where those people live, are not 15 minute neighbourhoods. If they were it would reduce some of the pressure on the city centre.No, it's already a 15-minute city. Despite that it has traffic problems because the 15-minuteness only applies to people who live in it.
It's surrounded by small satellite towns and villages separated by green belt land and not all big enough to sustain a full range of facilities. I'm not against it at all but it's not quite that simple. My preferred option would be building (council housing) on green belt land to get part of the rural poor commuter belt in the city and then anyone who wants to live ten miles from town just cause its nicer can get on a fucking bus.Well the problem is surely that those neighbourhoods, where those people live, are not 15 minute neighbourhoods. If they were it would reduce some of the pressure on the city centre.
Clearly not everywhere can be a 15 minute neighbourhood but it's a good general principle for planning to reduce journeys. Lots of towns and cities have a dearth of services in particular suburbs and this is where the concept is most useful, in my opinion.It's surrounded by small satellite towns and villages separated by green belt land and not all big enough to sustain a full range of facilities. I'm not against it at all but it's not quite that simple. My preferred option would be building (council housing) on green belt land to get part of the rural poor commuter belt in the city and then anyone who wants to live ten miles from town just cause its nicer can get on a fucking bus.
Well the problem is surely that those neighbourhoods, where those people live, are not 15 minute neighbourhoods. If they were it would reduce some of the pressure on the city centre.
Definitely and I think Cambridge should just get on with it. My only objection to congestion charges is that they let some people in. Just ban the lot.Clearly not everywhere can be a 15 minute neighbourhood but it's a good general principle for planning to reduce journeys. Lots of towns and cities have a dearth of services in particular suburbs and this is where the concept is most useful, in my opinion.
Cambridge has far more school places than residents?It doesn't work for Cambridge because there are far more jobs and school places than residents.
Cambridge has far more school places than residents?
I think you're misunderstanding what this concept is all about. It's not about ensuring that absolutely everyone lives, shops, recreates, works within 15 minutes. It's about maximising what's possible to reduce journeys.They can't be 15-minute neighbourhoods because of the distribution of jobs. You can't for example chop up the massive city hospital into 30 pieces and distribute it amongst 30 outlying towns and villages. Instead you need to enable people to live within 15 minutes of the massive hospital. This can't be done because of planning constraints that restrict growth of the city.
I think you're misunderstanding what this concept is all about. It's not about ensuring that absolutely everyone lives, shops, recreates, works within 15 minutes. It's about maximising what's possible to reduce journeys.
I don’t know if you have a particular city in mind, but in the city I live in the distribution of amenities is not even. There are plenty of neighbourhoods that are deserts as far as primary health, recreation and shopping are concerned, never mind jobs. If you compare Hillhead with Drumchapel you’ll see what I mean. Yes, Hillhead is pretty much already a 15 minute (or in Glasgow’s slightly less ambition jargon, a 20 minute) neighbourhood. Drumchapel is not.My point is that everyone living in the city currently is 15 minutes by bike from all those things. It is already a 15-minute city, but perhaps by virtue of that there are massive congestion and liveability (house price) problems.
I think you're right, though only if there are no options for densification, and that the new neighbourhoods aren't more suburban sprawl lacking amenities.I think there's a good case for allowing small and medium size cities to get bigger in the interests of reducing journeys. There are tonnes of people living outside the cities they work in because they've been priced out.
yeh let's build more homes on the paltry green spaces on estatesI think you're right, though only if there are no options for densification, and that the new neighbourhoods aren't more suburban sprawl lacking amenities.
OK, but that sounds less like being a "15-minute city" is causing problems, and more like its aspiration to be one is hampered by having schools poorly distributed.Than required by residents I mean. Lots of kids commute to Cambridge for school and college, many by train from other towns such as Wisbech and Ely, many by car to city-centre private schools from South Cambridgeshire.