WTF! Look what they've done to the Coach & Horses/Living Bar

[Mr Retro]

It looks awful but it was an empty building and somebody is trying to start a business there in the middle of a recession.

Maybe give them a bit of slack?

 

[ajdown]

There's not exactly a shortage of halal meat and fish shops in Brixton already though is there? If they'd done their research properly they'd have discovered they weren't needed.

 

[Mr Retro]

So what if there are other places doing the same thing? That dosn't mean another one can't give it a go.

Have you done research that has shown they are not needed?

 

[tarannau]

I think he's done imaginary research in his tiny little head. The research methodology being that he's a bigot and doesn't want halal meat for whatever reason. If the butcher was a ruddy-faced type from the home counties I suspect AJ would be just fine.

 

[hipipol]

There's not exactly a shortage of halal meat and fish shops in Brixton already though is there? If they'd done their research properly they'd have discovered they weren't needed.

"Halal Fish"?

Hmm, seems like some of that Big Value Iceland muck has munched chunks of you head mate

 

[ajdown]

Ok, "halal meat, and fish that doesn't appear to be halal" - is that any clearer?

The "research methodology" is that, from memory, in that particular area of Brixton I can think of about 3 fish shops and 4 halal butchers already in a relatively small area. Plus Sainsburys and Iceland for non-halal meat. The massive Tesco is perhaps a 5 minute walk away.

I personally don't want to eat halal meat for religious reasons. End of discussion.

 

[tarannau]

Hold on, aren't you the soft minded goon that specifically requested a 'normal' butcher on the first page of this thread? And the bloke who, for all the talk of market research and shops in the area, failed to notice the multiple selection of butchers already here selling pork.

I put it to you that you're talking unmitigated shite and trying to retrospectively excuse away your weirdo prejudices. And which religion of yours prohibits eating halal meat?

 

[5t3IIa]

Hold on, aren't you the soft minded goon that specifically requested a 'normal' butcher on the first page of this thread? And the bloke who, for all the talk of market research and shops in the area, failed to notice the multiple selection of butchers already here selling pork.

I put it to you that you're talking unmitigated shite and trying to retrospectively excuse away your weirdo prejudices.

It's for religious reasons, he's doesn't have to excuse them, silly.

 

[ajdown]

The whole market/covered market/Popes Road area is a complete rabbit warren, and it's entirely possible - as has happeend - that someone could do bits of the market and not explore the other bits, beyond the main market itself and not actually find some of these shops.

I don't enjoy shopping, I don't particularly like crowds. I shop because I have to to eat, and I need to eat to stay alive. Thus spending a few 'nice hours' enjoying the ethic diversity of central Brixton is not something I would necessarily choose to do.

Hence, I know Iceland sells pork, so I'll buy it in there instead of trawling the market warren for some.

 

[tarannau]

He's invented his own religion now? Like a special one for small-minded bigots with irrational prejudices?

I've been known to feed Christians, Catholics even, halal certified meat. I've even served kosher matzos on occasion. Have I made unbelievers of them all, corrupted them? Am I bad person?

 

[ajdown]

If people didn't know what you were serving them, or knew and weren't bothered about it, then that's their choice.

Me, I wouldn't want to knowingly eat meat that has been sacrified and/or made acceptable to another god.

 

[tarannau]

Rabbit warren my arse by the way. Dombeys, for example, is on the main throughfare of the covered market, a few steps away from the ever so hidden Franco Manca. There's a latin american butcher selling pork prominent on Pope's Road, another just by the entrance of Brixton Village and O Talho is right opposite Argos on Atlantic Road. None of these locations is any way hard to find. No Halal to make him happy too.

You'd expect any gobshite talking of the need for others to undertake market research to have more than a cursory glance around before spouting bollocks, wouldn't you?

 

[Brixton Hatter]

It's one of the few architecturally notable buildings on CHL and they've made it look shit.

Who do I complain to?

we've already emailed the council about this - but they havent got back yet.

apparently the awning might not need planning permission if it is retractable, but the signage would need permission.

 

[lang rabbie]

Me, I wouldn't want to knowingly eat meat that has been sacrified and/or made acceptable to another god.

Islam is a monotheistic religion, and though Muslims refer to him as Allah, he is the same god as that of Jews and Christians - hence Abraham is regarded as a prophet in Islam.

"Surely Abraham was an example, obedient to Allah, by nature upright, and he was not of the polytheists. He was grateful for Our bounties. We chose him and guided him unto a right path. We gave him good in this world, and in the next he will most surely be among the righteous." (Qur'an 16:120-121

 

[ymu]

does halal meat taste any different to 'normal' meat?

I wouldnt know cos I dont eat meat.

UK abattoirs use the same slaughter methods as halal (and kosher) anyway - it's the most humane. The only difference is that halal abattoirs bless the meat en masse.

 

[editor]

They've got another fuck-off ugly sign announcing a Beauty saloon on the first floor. Above the fishmongers. Mmmmm.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Do they realise Lobo means 'Wolf' in Spanish and Portuguese?

Won't someone think of the children?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

The council might take a while to get around to it, but once they do, it sounds like an open and shut case.

 

[colacubes]

The council might take a while to get around to it, but once they do, it sounds like an open and shut case.

Of course it should be but there's a 4 year limit on these things and we've pointed out mega planning problems in the same conservation area that are now out of time so who knows

 

[linerider]

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Me, I wouldn't want to knowingly eat meat that has been sacrified and/or made acceptable to another god.

but there can only be one true god to the bigoted.

 

[ymu]

It's dumb, isn't it. Most Muslims will eat kosher if halal isn't available, and many Jews will eat halal if kosher isn't available (although kosher has some additional rules, related to handling, I think). But Christians, oh no. Our God is different, doncha know?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

It's dumb, isn't it. Most Muslims will eat kosher if halal isn't available, and many Jews will eat halal if kosher isn't available (although kosher has some additional rules, related to handling, I think). But Christians, oh no. Our God is different, doncha know?

I don't think Ajdown represents 'christians' as a group to be honest.

 

[editor]

Emails sent, forms filled in and photo evidence forwarded, in triplicate.

 

[ymu]

I don't think Ajdown represents 'christians' as a group to be honest.

No, you're right. I'm thinking of the rabid types who spread propaganda about halal ("they leave them to bleed to death for hours!" ).

 

[twistedAM]

They've got another fuck-off ugly sign announcing a Beauty saloon on the first floor. Above the fishmongers. Mmmmm.

Classy

 

[5t3IIa]

Saloon sounds fun tho, less formal than a salon

 

[fogbat]

Saloon sounds fun tho, less formal than a salon

Full of really pretty cowboys

 

[innit]

Also -

I would have thought that this constitute a change of use? ie. from public house to shop. That should have been subject to planning permission in its own right.

Planning permission isn't needed to change from A3 (drinking establishments) to A1 (shops) see this handy chart

The idea is that you don't need permission to change from a more disruptive use (nightclub) to a less disruptive use (shop).

 

[Sunray]

Its quite unusual for a building that has a drinking license to change to something that's not a pub thats in given its location. If any one wanted to open a bar in Brixton, that would be a perfect opportunity. Its very central Brixton and is already a licensed premise which is fairly hard to get on buildings that don't have one.

 

[tarannau]

I'm not convinced about that tbh - there are enough pubs that have closed down close enough to the centre of Brixton in recent years to work against that ideal. You need balls of steel, or pockets of depth, to want to open up a pub independently, particularly if it hasn't much of a food trade or potential to expand that area of the business.

On a slightly more positive note it seems that the Farside is reopening soon, if it hasn't already. The old management are sadly out, but S and crew from The Railway are taking over by all accounts.