Hate to be repetitious but
There was an inferno.
There was an inferno.
WTC attacks - the alternative thread
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Well let's have a look at that picture which you posted for the second time WR. Look carefully at the South Tower. Pretty much all the smoke appears to be coming from the North Tower. Where do you get this 'inferno' (strangely invisible on all shots of the South Tower, and absent from all eyewitness reports) from exactly?
Oh, I dunno, really.
All that fucking smoke?
All that fucking smoke?
nah, no way would this have started a fire.
look. flames. or red headed people.
link to big pic
i suppose we can add smoke machines to the list along with bombs, cyanide sprays, hologram projectors and air to surface missles.
which one is the north one and which one is the south one anyway ?
South one going boom. North one, well under way.fubert said:
Oop, I meant to say: North one has the smoke machines running full pelt.
Yeah, fuck all, isn't it? Anyone can see that.DrJazzz said:
here's the pic you posted WR. Instead of just gawping at the total amount of smoke, have a closer look. Clearly, there is a lot of smoke coming out from the North Tower. But look at the South Tower with its much lower impact. There is no trail of smoke being blown horizontally as there is from the North Tower. If the amount of smoke from the South Tower was in any way comparable to the North Tower, there would be a corresponding lower plume.
Theory in error, more like.DrJazzz said:
white rabbit said:
oh totally.
these satellite pictures just show how little smoke there was - in relation to the other buildings on the ne coast of the usa being hit by commericial aircraft at the time anyway.
fubert you really aren't helping debate. It is the South Tower that is being questioned, not the North. Pictures showing smoke from the North Tower do not prove an inferno in the South. While the North Tower took a central hit, the plane just caught the edge of the South Tower and much of the fireball was dispersed outside of it.
No, Dr J. fubert doesn't have to do anything but show up the stupidity of your claims.DrJazzz said:
It's for you to prove your nutty ideas.
And I have to say, your case is less than compelling.
DrJazzz said:
you call this debate ? this is flying in the face of ignorance.
you *don't* think there's a lot of smoke coming out of the south tower ? besides, of course there was a fire. the plane dropped a bomb before it hit remember - igniting the incendiary devices within.
get a bloody grip.
(fela fan - its quite a common occurence for people who believe themselves to be hopelessly trapped in extremely tall buildings during fires to jump)
You are clearly struggling White Rabbit, having posted up a picture repeatedly yourself which clearly demonstrates an insignificant amount of smoke from the South Tower when compared to the North. I'm sorry that you do not have the good grace to admit the point, and are resorting to defending a poster who barely has a clue what has been discussed over the last few pages of thread.
I'm not struggling with anything. Don't just convince yourself and your yes-men. Put yourself in the head of an ordinary person trying to consider your ideas.DrJazzz said:
Step outside for a moment.
DrJazzz said:
the only reason i "don't have a clue" is because i can't be arsed reading half of your drivel.
terrorists hijack planes.
planes twat big building.
building catch fire.
building fall down.
much smoke that you seem to be in denial about. based on the pictures we've all seen are you seriously able to say what smoke comes from what building ?
you're grasping feebly at straws. get over it. it was terrorists.
fubert said:
fubert, i was about to agree and say yes i know, but then i read it again! Sorry, but how often have people been hopelessly trapped in such high buildings that are on fire?! Hardly a common occurrence if it's hardly ever, or never, happened before, surely...!
But look, if i was faced with certain death by pain, and had another option without pain, i'd fucking take it any day.
My point to the rabbit was to tell him that i didn't know the specific reason they jumped, coz he told me that i knew why they jumped. I was just telling him i know more about what i think and know than he knows about what i think and know.
fubert said:
yes. I refer you to my analysis of the picture White Rabbit has posted up twice a few posts above. It seems that you don't bother reading the last few posts let alone whole threads. But, let's make it easy for you; here's a picture from a page I linked to earlier.
South Tower in foreground.
Now, you tell me. Which tower has lots of smoke coming from it, and which has practically none?
What does that show?
Your doubt is at most, interesting.
Your doubt is at most, interesting.
fubert said:
Fubert, can i ask you how you can be so certain about that?
Can i ask you why you seemingly (correct me if i'm wrong) have no questions about the official version of events, and are able to accept it all at face value.
Considering USGs' past background in lying, killing, and war.
DrJ may say things you don't like, or consider silly, but you're attacking him personally, in effect, coz he is touting a different version to that given us by the USG, and who expresses his belief that things happened differently. Why should you feel hostile to such a person?
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This is fucking ridiculous.
What's the point of these threads?
DrJ still can't come up with a credible explanation for these 'faked' phone calls and without them the missile-spewing, remotely control pretend passenger aircraft scenario is a complete non starter.
I've no idea why he's going on about the smoke when he's already claimed that he thinks that the missiles were fired from the planes for (ahem) 'Hollywood style' explosions.
With that kind of budget, I would have thought they'd have no problem lobbing in a few smoke machines too, but logic doesn't appear to be DrJ's strongest suite when it comes to conspiracy theories.
After all, if he's claiming that the towers were hit by remote control planes firing instantaneously exploding missiles and then blown up from within by invisible internal charges, you'd think that 'they'd' make sure everything went off in the right order wouldn't you?
What's the point of these threads?
DrJ still can't come up with a credible explanation for these 'faked' phone calls and without them the missile-spewing, remotely control pretend passenger aircraft scenario is a complete non starter.
I've no idea why he's going on about the smoke when he's already claimed that he thinks that the missiles were fired from the planes for (ahem) 'Hollywood style' explosions.
With that kind of budget, I would have thought they'd have no problem lobbing in a few smoke machines too, but logic doesn't appear to be DrJ's strongest suite when it comes to conspiracy theories.
After all, if he's claiming that the towers were hit by remote control planes firing instantaneously exploding missiles and then blown up from within by invisible internal charges, you'd think that 'they'd' make sure everything went off in the right order wouldn't you?
fela fan said:
because the concept of terrorists hijacking planes and crashing them deliberately into the wtc is more plausible than some usg/cia/fbi cloak and dagger operation. if they wanted to kill a load of their own citizens and blame islamic terrorists there are easier ways to do it.
fela fan said:
see above answer.
fela fan said:
where have i attacked him personally ? where ?
oh and people jumping from things that are on fire does happen. it happened when piper alpha exploded. i've seen a video from a building in south america where people were jumping.
Surely we have now established that nearly all the smoke was coming from the North Tower and not the South.
Here's an interesting article on the jumpers - nearly all of whom jumped from the North Tower - it estimates that -compared to nearly 200 jumpers from the North Tower, 'less than a dozen' jumped from the South Tower, and one wonders what the basis for that estimate was.
Here's an interesting article on the jumpers - nearly all of whom jumped from the North Tower - it estimates that -compared to nearly 200 jumpers from the North Tower, 'less than a dozen' jumped from the South Tower, and one wonders what the basis for that estimate was.
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