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Those of you familiar with the pro independence movement in Scotland will be aware of this website. It is my view that its chief blogger, Stuart Campbell, isn't a benign influence on the debate.

This week a Labour leaflet came through our doors in Scotland. It included claims that if elected in May, Labour would increase spending on the NHS in Scotland and would pay for an additional 1000 nurses. Except, of course, they won't, because the NHS in Scotland is devolved. The election in May is for Westminster, so even if Labour wins (my bet is they will form a minority government), then they won't be doing anything to the NHS in Scotland (except indirectly, eg. by taking decisions which may influence Barnet consequentials). So that was at best a misleading claim, at worse an inept failure to understand the constitutional set up in the UK.

So Wings, being a campaigning blog, could have attacked that claim.

Also, you may remember that Scottish Labour said that "The NHS is safe with a No vote" during the referendum campaign. They said it on leaflets, in the press, on social media.






















Now the leaflet was saying the NHS isn't safe. So soon after Scotland saving it with a No vote.

So, again, Wings could have attacked that line in the leaflet.

What did they go for? A tweet asking whether a nurse depicted on the leaflet was the same woman as an actor he'd found a photo of.
































He's being cautious. He isn't saying it is the same woman; he's wondering aloud.

No doubt partly because he was wrong before about a woman being the granddaughter of Pat Lally.

However, cue the deluge of misogyny from his acolytes (whom I accept he doesn't control). Social media is awash with opinions about this woman being a "bitch" and a "cunt". Charming, and sadly predicable. Which is the point - predictable.

And what if she is an actor? Why is that the thing to home in on?

It turns out that she isn't the same person as he wondered, but she is actually an actor. And a nurse. She's both. Again, so what? Yup, she may well have got the gig because she's an actor, but all parties produce leaflets, even the pro independence parties. They never use professionals to make their points? And why is that the thing to home in on? Some unknown woman - who is a nurse - depicts nurses on a leaflet.

But, not that's not enough. Now he goes for whether nurses should be appearing on leaflets.



































Now I'm angry. Very angry. We're now saying that we're on the side of bosses about when and whether staff can express their political views? Well, I'm not on your side there, pal. You snivelling little vermin.

And again, he's careful about how he puts it. But his fanboys aren't. They're all over it like a rash. "We're paying for her to tell lies about the NHS" is one comment.

Listen up. Attack what she says by all means, but don't say she has no right to say it. Even if she actually doesn't, she should. Or what are we saying? That NHS for Yes should STFU? That nurses shouldn't protest against cuts unless they pretend they aren't nurses? You picked the wrong side. You are the enemy on this. Yes, that's right, the enemy.

Of course, the Daily Record - the vile, racist, homophobic rag that supports Labour and the Union in Scotland - is down on all this with glee. Of course; it's a gift, why wouldn't they? Campbell's fans are moaning "but this is only because the press complaint he started against the Record was upheld". Yes, probably. So didn't that tell you anything?

Here's what the Record said:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/record-view-wings-over-scotland-5232240

Yup, it's over the top. But it's the Record. However, it's hard not to come to the same conclusion in essence. "With friends like these, no nationalist needs to make up enemies".

Now, if you try to say any of this to any of the Wings acolytes, you get a torrent of huffy, hilarious, paranoid abuse. You are a "Britnat dupe".

Which kind of proves the Record's point. So well done guys. For making the Daily Racist Homophobe appear reasonable.

Idiots.
 
Can't stand him. He's a wee misogynist homophobic anti-working class bully. Did you see what he said about Hillsborough? We can do without him but unfortunately he has a lot of extremely blinkered fans. reminds me of Tommy Sheridan that way tbh.
 
He's a nasty little individual and sadly one who seems to have sway over too many people. He's the prefect example of the 'cybernat' that was so over-used in the referendum campaign. Like others during that period all too many people are happy and desperate to overlook his scummy social attitudes because now and again he hit the NO campaign square in the jaw. The proverbial stopped clock right twice a day.
Btw, as of the other day he still stands by his comments re Hillsborough and comments he denies he attacks/blames Liverpool fans.... Even though he explicitly does exactly that.
 
He's none of those things.

It's by far the most popular pro-Independence site. It constantly attacks the Union-biased media, examining and countering the deluge of garbage that comes out every day. The site promotes many other pro-Independence websites and provides as much in the way of factual argument as you can read.

The latest post.... http://wingsoverscotland.com/asking-for-it/#more-67683 contains many of the things that urban rails about. As to the posters on it who allegedly create offence on certain topics...physicians heal thyselves, eh.

Urban doesn't get to preach to anyone about being offensive. Urban has many positives and so does Wings.

If you think the ratio of light to heat over there is different to here, you are mistaken.
 
http://www.betternation.org/2014/06...and-the-progressive-whitewashing-of-misogyny/

Maybe the all-time most disgusting instance of Campbell’s essentially pro-violence-against-women approach to writing about Bill Walker, though, is under the article ‘Your Rules, Our Rules’ (yeah, no kidding pal, we live by a different moral code and no mistake). Campbell writes in the comment section – in response to a comment pointing out that Walker admitted to hitting his ex-wife and his former stepdaughter, the latter with a saucepan – noting with regards to the step-daughter: “Didn’t Walker essentially claim self-defence with the cooking pot?

The stepdaughter in question, Anne Louise, was sixteen years old at the time. Walker was an adult man, reported to be 6’2” tall. He stuck her with a metal implement. In “self-defence”. (In Bill Walker’s trial – at which he was convicted – it was revealed that Anne Louise frequently attempted to intervene to stop Walker from beating her mother). Self-defence. That was what Stuart Campbell thought the most germane issue, the first thing to bring up, when discussing a 6’2” man hitting a schoolgirl with a metal implement.

http://wosland.podgamer.com/no-justice-for-the-96/

I haven't seen the death certificates of the 96 victims of Hillsborough. But I'm going to make an assertion anyway, without fear of contradiction – not a single one of them lists the cause of death as "incompetence" or "inexperience". The vast majority died of asphyxiation, crushed to death by the weight of hundreds of bodies pressing them against unyielding steel fences or the concrete steps of the terracing.

Yet despite 23 years of investigations, reports and analysis, the most blindingly obvious fact is never spoken. The pressure that caused that crush didn't come out of nowhere. It wasn't an act of God, it wasn't a freak gravity storm. It came from behind them, and every ounce of it came from human beings. Specifically, it came from Liverpool fans.

oh yeah but he's really popular and he's written some useful articles so he's alright really, isn't he? Lot of fuss over nothing.
 
And here's the first reply to that.

I hadn’t read the article in question, so clicked the link and this piece really does misrepresent it totally. It was obviously written just as the Walker story first broke. It says:

“So let’s be absolutely unequivocal – we’re disgusted by what Walker is alleged to have done, and strongly dislike the idea of the SNP being represented by such a man.”

You also write, “he states that he hopes Walker does resign, “because he was a liability to the SNP [due to another issue],” Why not quote the whole sentence? “Let’s be clear from the off – we hope Bill Walker DOES resign, because he was a liability to the SNP already on account of his homophobic views”.

I have seen many allegations against Stuart Campbell of misogyny, bigotry and being against LGBT people, but nothing linked ever remotely backs up what’s being claimed, and that quote in full appears to disprove it.

I’m female and have written for Wings a couple of times, so believe me, it really does bother me if there are allegations of misogyny and bigotry, and I’m well aware there are some men BTL on Wings who don’t help bring women over to the yes side. But equally there are women on the Yes side who are extremely off-putting as well, even for other women. And it bothers me somewhat more to dig into allegations of misogyny or bigotry against someone to find the claims don’t stand up to scrutiny, or are over-blown.
 
Maybe the all-time most disgusting instance of Campbell’s essentially pro-violence-against-women approach to writing
Perhaps the same culture which fostered that sense even now gives space and support to Wings and other men who condone domestic violence
Imagine if we could hold people on “our side” (gag) to the actually-not-very-high-standard of not defending a grown man beating a schoolgirl: fucking imagine that. Imagine if women – or people of any gender opposed to violence against women – who raised this got actually listened to, rather than being accused of being unionists or accused of splitting the movement.

I know...it's terrible that us nats are all women-hating, violence-condoning, school-girl beating animals...what can you do?
 
I know...it's terrible that us nats are all women-hating, violence-condoning, school-girl beating animals...what can you do?
That's what Campbell does, too: turns specific allegations about him into an attack on "us". The blog isn't alleging nats are anything; it's alleging Campbell is.
 
That's what Campbell does, too: turns specific allegations about him into an attack on "us". The blog isn't alleging nats are anything; it's alleging Campbell is.
Sorry...my middle quote? The same culture supports Wings?

Don't fuck about danny.

Perhaps the same culture which fostered that sense even now gives space and support to Wings and other men who condone domestic violence
 
She says Wings.
You're quoting selectively.

Bill Walker’s lack of remorse was considered an aggravating factor in his sentencing. The judge commented, “in the few incidents where you acknowledged the use of physical force, you believed you were entitled to or justified in its use”. I wonder where Walker could have picked up that sense of entitlement, hmm?

Perhaps the same culture which fostered that sense even now gives space and support to Wings and other men who condone domestic violence? Some people may think a degree of progress has been made since Walker’s offences were committed, but we still live in a culture in which a commentator, widely feted by self-identified progressives, entirely ignores a male perpetrator’s own admission of violence against women, preferring to vociferiously defend the perpetrator as if the question of his culpability was ever in doubt.

She's using 'Wings' to mean specifically Stuart Campbell, not its entire readership.
 
Read the piece, and try to understand what she saying, not what you decided she'd be saying before you looked.
Yes...let's read the Wings piece.

Doubtless we’ll be accused by hysterical idiots of misogyny and all sorts of other things for even this mildest of objections to the rapidly-developing witch-hunt. So let’s be absolutely unequivocal – we’re disgusted by what Walker is alleged to have done, and strongly dislike the idea of the SNP being represented by such a man. As we’ve already said, we hope he resigns – the party seems to have had no knowledge of his history, and has already acted as quickly as possible to suspend him, so it’s hard to see how it could be held responsible or damaged as a result...
 
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