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Why the Guardian is going down the pan!

Wow:

Where voters have not "kicked out the bums", the big EU rulers have acted instead, with Berlin, Paris, Brussels, and the European Central Bank in Frankfurt conspiring to bring down elected prime ministers Silvio Berlusconi in Italy and George Papandreou in Greece.
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Ah! I didn't think the Morning Star existed any more. The Workers Girder sounds an interesting read. I do hope they have an iPad app!
 
Combustible said:
I will just leave this here.

"After Eastleigh, the Lib Dems have finally found the fire in their belly"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/05/eastleigh-gloating-lib-dems-seize-chance
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That piece is unbelievable for a number reasons - the level of self-delusion it reveals, the contempt she has for the public, what her real politics are and what they are motivated by, her lack of connection with or understanding of public opinion, her inability to read things politically, her immense fucking...wrongness. I think that one has wound me up more than the Kettle one on Iraq.
 
remarkable, not least because it's published on the day after they voted against their own conference policy to create secret courts - showing just how little they are prepared to stand up for even core 'liberal' values, let alone opposing tory cuts.
 
from that article
Simon Hughes agrees, demanding councils be allowed to borrow what they like against their own assets for new building.
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I dont know the details, but this doesn't sound like a good idea. isn't this the equivalent of a second mortgage? What happens if repayments cant be made?
 
butchersapron said:
That piece is unbelievable for a number reasons - the level of self-delusion it reveals, the contempt she has for the public, what her real politics are and what they are motivated by, her lack of connection with or understanding of public opinion, her inability to read things politically, her immense fucking...wrongness. I think that one has wound me up more than the Kettle one on Iraq.
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The title has changed. My tab and the url suggests "Enough of the post-Eastleigh gloating. Now [the Lib Dems must seize their chance]

Toynbee is a fool on this kind of stuff, no question, but there's an editorial hand involved in making it quite so ridiculous.
 
ska invita said:
from that article

I dont know the details, but this doesn't sound like a good idea. isn't this the equivalent of a second mortgage? What happens if repayments cant be made?
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I don't know what interest rates councils get charged but IMO it would be a great deal more sensible for the government to borrow it at their current zero real interest rate (free money because there is nowhere else for scaredy investors to go whilst the government is busy trashing the economy).

It doesn't add to the debt when secured against assets, social rents pay off the mortgage over a much shorter period than the government owns the property for (and rise with inflation where the debt repayments do not), and the profit is pocketed by the taxpayers (aka "us"). We all benefit from cheaper housing due to the knock on effect on rents and house-prices, short-term landlords who have to charge a fortune to stay in business get driven out of the market, and there would be a massive rise in spending power because the money saved on housing costs would be spent on things that actual productive people with jobs need to produce, allowing them to spend their earnings and make sure we still have a job too.

Capitalism is one massive con.
 
Kettle again (and i'm not pointing out the chavez stuff here):

And it is also a lot easier if you win your elections, as Chávez generally did, with large majorities. He once claimed that the lesson he drew from Allende's Chile was the need to defend the socialist revolution with arms. In fact this was typical bravado. The real lesson was to win and hold a majority. Allende won one election with 36% support and died from bullet wounds as his palace was stormed by the armed forces. Chávez won four more or less honest presidential elections with, successively, 56%, 60%, 63% and 54% of the vote and died in his bed.
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( Of course A man of grace. Cameron has been good for Britain - this is his level of biographical analysis - need i say, an oxbridge boy?)
 
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