Why the Guardian is going down the pan!

[butchersapron]

Curtice agreed that Ukip was now a major presence. "Ukip are probably hoping that they are now on a roll, certainly all the way through to the European elections in June 2014. Certainly, last night's performances were not a flash in the pan."

No he didn't. He said nothing of the sort. They used this twice today.

 

[elbows]

Headline: Rotherham byelection brings relief for Labour as Ukip celebrates second place

Suggests a labour party under pressure finally able to break out. Reality =10+ lead for months, lead 6+ since the early days of the last election.

In this case I think they may just have been reflecting on circumstances particular to Rotherham in this by-election campaign. All these by-elections were pretty safe for Labour and therefore rather dull, and the press seized on several local messes to make the story seem vaguely interesting.

 

[rekil]

Journalists unhappy with this Guardian editorial.

Jack Shenker ‏@hackneylad
Let me say once again, I totally disassociate myself from this@Guardian editorial on #Egypt - it's offensive & wrong:

 

[butchersapron]

See also:

UK’s Observer adds “kill Jews” to Hamas leader Khaled Meshal’s Gaza speech

 

[ymu]

They didn't "add" it, they mistranslated fight for kill, in a sentence where the word "fight" was mistranslated more than once.

We don’t kill Jews because they are Jews. We kill the Zionists because they are conquerors and we will continue to kill anyone who takes our land and our holy places … We will free Jerusalem inch by inch, stone by stone.​

​

This however is a blatant mistranslation. What Meshal actually said is:

We do not fight the Jews because they are Jews. We fight the Zionist occupiers and aggressors. And we will fight anyone who tries to occupy our lands or attacks us. We fight those who fight us, who attack us, who besiege us, who attack our holy places and our land.​

The electronic intifada is often very good on this sort of stuff, but that headline is way OTT given what actually happened.

 

[Random]

The electronic intifada is often very good on this sort of stuff, but that headline is way OTT given what actually happened.

Not really "way OTT" considering how bad a distortion this was.

 

[butchersapron]

Full headline is:

UK’s Observer adds “kill Jews” to Hamas leader Khaled Meshal’s Gaza speech when he did not say it.

Seems fair enough to me.

 

[butchersapron]

This is real:

The 10 best films of 2012, No 2 – Ted


Seth MacFarlane's comedy about a pot-smoking teddy bear and his best friend John made us laugh until our stitches burst

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

should have been best in view

 

[redsquirrel]

And Silver Linings Playbook at No. 4, which is reasonable but only a brain dead moron could ever claim that it's the fourth best film of the year.

 

[frogwoman]

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/400-guardian-journalists-back-strike-ballot

 

[bluestreak]

gosh, what will we do without them?

 

[DotCommunist]

read the Morning Star

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Commenting on progressive issues online counts as scab journalism when Guardian journalists are bravely striking to defend their four week sabbaticals. Anyone posting on P&P should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[butchersapron]

gosh, what will we do without them?

Help build the idea that their space is ours. Come on.

 

[articul8]

they could keep loads of journos by firing Polly Toynbee, SImon Jenkins, Michael White, Deborah Orr...

 

[bluestreak]

rob their houses whilst they're on a picket line?

 

[DotCommunist]

they could keep loads of journos by firing Polly Toynbee, SImon Jenkins, Michael White, Deborah Orr...

but then how would you keep the wolf from the door

 

[teqniq]

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/400-guardian-journalists-back-strike-ballot

This is so Rusbridger can afford a better class of wig

 

[articul8]

but then how would you keep the wolf from the door

there must be other ways - like thinking of Eric Pickles covered all-over in body chocolate (aargh - my mind, nurse...!)

 

[Hocus Eye.]

Commenting on progressive issues online counts as scab journalism when Guardian journalists are bravely striking to defend their four week sabbaticals. Anyone posting on P&P should be ashamed of themselves.

Commenting on progressive issues would not conflict with anything the Guardian does normally. I see that the strike ballot is not really a strike ballot, it is an indicative ballot which could lead to an actual ballot if it is strongly carried. Given that the paper is losing money, the NUJ will doubtless negotiate away many jobs and conditions but hopefully will fight to get the best deal. The indicative ballot will reinforce them in their determination. I support the journalists as workers but not necessarily their political line as writers. The Guardian is neither of the left or progressive these days.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

I support the journalists as workers

If sacking 100 of them saves £7m, then they are indeed downtrodden.

 

[butchersapron]

Join labour.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

If sacking 100 of them saves £7m, then they are indeed downtrodden.

Not quite in the spirit of your post, but that £7m would not be saved on salaries alone but on office space, computers, and the infrastructure that supports 100 journalists. Also it will be an aspirational figure, and not necessarily immediate or even a true figure. Their accountants will work out ways of getting the savings sorted over a number of years to keep the shareholders happy.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

The savings were from the editorial budget. That would normally be salaries and nothing else. Also, there are no shareholders, remember - the Scott Trust is answerable to a ghost, and Rusbridger is the man with the planchette.

 

[butchersapron]

Declare your interests.

 

[William of Walworth]

Really enjoyed reading the Quentin Blake feature by Jenny Uglow in Saturday's review. He was one of my heroes as artists when I was a lot younger -- he's 80 tomorrow.

 

[frogwoman]

i think you are on the wrong thread

 

[William of Walworth]

Oh I know

 

[sihhi]

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/400-guardian-journalists-back-strike-ballot

Strikebreaker radars on.