Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
Aye. Brick wall is brick wall. Sad that it's a well meaning one, but a brick wall nonetheless.
Why is 'browning up' acceptable in Hollywood?
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Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
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Athos
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Yeah, because that's exactly what motivated me - the rights of imaginary white people. Not a rejection of a demonstrably nonsensical moral absolute, which, as I've explained, I don't consider to be the most effective way of countering racism.
It's telling that much of the argument against my position relies on a dishonest caricature of it.
Thimble Queen
Called away to another place
Yeah and blackface is a dishonest caricature of POC but your all for it, eh.
Athos
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Thimble Queen
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Keep going mate. You're only making yourself look like a tit 
Athos
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Keep going mate. You're only making yourself look like a tit
Long time before I catch up with you.
Thimble Queen
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Athos
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The wit on that
Sorry, Noel Coward, how could I ever compete with:
Keep going mate. You're only making yourself look like a tit
Athos
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Presumably you've chosen to ignore the views of Mariane Pearl, another woman of colour. Convenient for you.
No idea who she is tbh, does she post on urban?
Athos
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Not to my knowledge, but she was quoted earlier on the thread. Don't let these inconvenient facts put you off the comedic sniping, though.
Thimble Queen
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Athos
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It was a statement of fact not a joke, silly
You really are on fire.
Okay, so so far it's you and one non-poster who you've decided supports you in correcting the women of colour you're insisting are wrong about racism.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
But we live in this world. Because of its baggage, white people blacking up isn't a neutral thing to do. And in the case of films - yes, even in the case of Angelina Jolie and Mariane Pearl - it's a product of, and a reinforcement of, structural inequalities. Taken as a whole, mainstream representation of black women in particular in US films is rather shocking, no? A white woman plays a mixed race part. Meanwhile a mixed race woman like Halle Berry gets the parts of black women. There are very few black female film stars in the US, and very few mainstream directors who create roles for them.
btw in the case of Mariane Pearl, she's doing publicity for her film. I wouldn't take anything she says particularly seriously. What else is she going to say? It's pr fluff. She's making $$$$$.
Athos
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Yeah, because an argument's worth is dictated by weight of numbers.
The fact that Mation and I disagree about the efficacy of a particular tactic in the fight against racism is not quite the same as me insisting she's wrong. And, in any event, she accepted my central point (the hypothetical one).
In your opinion, what are the circumstances in which it is acceptable for a white person to disagree with a person of colour regarding race?
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Too busy listening to people to start worrying about hypotheticals.
Athos
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So, notwithstanding the absence of any evidence that she's not sincere, you've discounted what she said. And it just happens to undermine your argument. A bit too convenient.
Athos
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Handy for you.
Well yeah, means I don't end up spending my days shouting at people why I know better than them.
Athos
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I have recognised that she is promoting her film. She's bound to talk up how perfect her star is in that film. It is naive to think that this has anything to do with sincerity. She may or may not be sincere, I don't know. But no, I don't take pr guff seriously. And neither should you.
Athos
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This isn't a case where she's required to offer an ex post facto justification; she specifically states that she chose Jolie because of the connection between them. Are you saying she's lying?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I'm saying that she is doing pr for her film. Have you not seen Hollywood pr before? It's always like this.
Athos
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And part of that PR is a bare-faced lie?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This is showbusiness, baby.
Athos
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This is showbusiness, baby.
And I was the one accused of disregarding the experience and views of a woman of colour.
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