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Just seen it, of the people who stayed to the end, was not the only one who wanted 2and 1/2 hours of their life back
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Just seen it, of the people who stayed to the end, was not the only one who wanted 2and 1/2 hours of their life back
rollinder
Dont walk away in silence
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Well Charlie must be a bit thick - Wrysmile has never read the comic and had no issues following any part of the story...unlike the gf in the couple behind us, who even needed the bit where Doug Roth 'outs' Dr Manhattan during the TV interview explaining to her, despite the script doing it...
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Terrible soundtrack, ridiculous sex scene and extremely irritting nudity from Dr Manhattan, but I didn't mind it. Having not read the book for several years (proabbly 10), may have helped.
Overall, the experience left me feeling a bit meh.
Overall, the experience left me feeling a bit meh.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
quite good, except for "Yes, there is some graphic sex and violence in the film but it all has a point. It’s called deconstruction."
mmm, no it isn't.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Just thought of something. In the film they say that only Night Owl 1 and Ozymandias' true identities were known to the public. This is emphasized by the fact Silk Spectre 2 and Night Owl 2 don't need new identities when they visit Silk Spectre 1 at the end. In fact in the film Silk Spectre 1 comes over to Night Owl 2s place rather then them visit her.
So how did a Silk Spectre fan send a comic to Sally Jupiter?
So how did a Silk Spectre fan send a comic to Sally Jupiter?
brixtonvilla
should be Oslovilla, really
IIRC correctly, Silk Spectre 1 married her agent (the guy she's arguing with in the film), and retired early. Think Hollis Mason talk about her in his book, and says she was wise to get out before the Minutemen became a bit of a sideshow. Could just be one character (Dan Driberg, I think) with a faulty memory. It was a long time ago...
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Hummm, I think it might be more to with the book having pretty much everyones identity known and the film makers forgetting. Plus it's a news reporter that says Night Owl and Ozymandias are the only two to go public.
A few good points written by a complete dick.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
I enjoyed it, but I agree with elevendayempire, it was like flicking through the comicbook. It was too faithful for its own good: the middle of the narrative got bogged down in flashbacks that weren't detailed enough to justify their presence. It crammed so much in it felt rushed. "Conservative" is a good word to describe it. This may well be remedied in the DVD cut: it's widely rumoured that there's about half an hour Mr Snyder had to edit out.
Personally I'd have gone in the other direction and kept the focus on the Comedian murder. Maybe start with Rorschach and Dr. Long and use that as a framing device. (Or maybe not: I'm just a little sore that my favourite chapter was cut down to five minutes, albeit a well-done five minutes.) Be selective: either explore material fully or cut it altogether. The fate of the two Bernards would have been meaningless for anyone who hasn't read the comic. Ditto the significance of the New Frontiersman.
The best parts were Dr Manhattan, which surprised me, as it's some of the densest material in the comic, but Mr Snyder nailed it. He clearly digs ol' Blue. Philip Glass's music kicking in during his origin story was a great piece of cinema. Which backs up what I said above: Mr Snyder gave it the time it needed.
The re-worked ending was one of the best bits. I loved Knight Owl's futile attempt to beat up on Veidt. Nicely done.
Hats off to Mr Snyder though: he's filmed the unfilmable comic, and made a perfectly watchable and at times classy movie out of it. The hoards of fanboys and fangirls (I've been told such endangered creatures do exist
) haven't got much to complain about here: the comic was respected, and then some.
I have no doubt that the extra half-hour on the DVD will improve things. And I'm hoping that the edit with the Black Freighter in will nail it.
Personally I'd have gone in the other direction and kept the focus on the Comedian murder. Maybe start with Rorschach and Dr. Long and use that as a framing device. (Or maybe not: I'm just a little sore that my favourite chapter was cut down to five minutes, albeit a well-done five minutes.) Be selective: either explore material fully or cut it altogether. The fate of the two Bernards would have been meaningless for anyone who hasn't read the comic. Ditto the significance of the New Frontiersman.
The best parts were Dr Manhattan, which surprised me, as it's some of the densest material in the comic, but Mr Snyder nailed it. He clearly digs ol' Blue. Philip Glass's music kicking in during his origin story was a great piece of cinema. Which backs up what I said above: Mr Snyder gave it the time it needed.
The re-worked ending was one of the best bits. I loved Knight Owl's futile attempt to beat up on Veidt. Nicely done.
Hats off to Mr Snyder though: he's filmed the unfilmable comic, and made a perfectly watchable and at times classy movie out of it. The hoards of fanboys and fangirls (I've been told such endangered creatures do exist
) haven't got much to complain about here: the comic was respected, and then some. I have no doubt that the extra half-hour on the DVD will improve things. And I'm hoping that the edit with the Black Freighter in will nail it.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Agree with this whole heartedly - Jon was exactly as I imagined, this oasis of perfect calm...and again, I too loved the use of the Koyaanisqatsi soundtrack for his backstory; very apposite and suitably grandiose.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Dr Manhattan works for a Professor Glass at the nuclear lab before his accident.
Good spot! I generally miss little stuff like that, only noticing it on my Nth viewing of the movie at home!
Watched the 5 min excerpt from the 'Tales of the Black Freighter' - now very impatient for the BDVD release indeed if that's an extra...
I don't think he was in the film, just the comic. In the book he's there with Janey just before Jon gets vaporised, but in the film I think it was just Wally.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
I imagined Dr Manhattan to have a less whiney baby arse voice and attitude.
rollinder
Dont walk away in silence
it'as not just cited in the plot but quoted in the intro/outro to a section
(in the general direction of wired)eta Desolation Row that is.
rollinder
Dont walk away in silence
it's out already on it's own dvd (along with the mock behind the scenes of the Minutemen mentioned in the book), and afaik the plan is to reedit it into the film for an ultra extended disk
Yeah, I'm planning to watch the film and then read the comic afterwards.
I do think a lot of these things are a lot more enjoyable if you haven't read the comic.
For instance, I thought V for Vendetta was wicked, yet the general noises were saying it was shit.
For instance, I thought V for Vendetta was wicked, yet the general noises were saying it was shit.
Boring wank, I should have stayed at home.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Dear god this was the most boring fucking film ever. How this dick of a director managed to take a legendary piece of comic history and produce this I don't know.
Utter waste...
Utter waste...
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Read the comic, don't bother with the film. Life is better that way. And what ever you do don't even think about playing the god awful video game...
andy2002
To the Bat-poles!
Yep - I thought it made a passable film but a wretched adaptation. If I'd never read the far superior comic I'd probably have liked it.
Gmart
Well-Known Member
I disagree - the film was TOO close to the original, as some have said here already. A more interesting film might have been to do as Azrael suggested, taking the adventure bits and making it about the costumed heroes. But then people would have complained about it not being a true to the book. Can't win really...
Rorschach was a great rendition but his character is childlike in his uncompromising position, and it gets him killed too.
Dr Manhatten was faithfully rendered too - tho his cock was weird according to mrs G! Very much the moral man, prepared to use force when push comes to the shove.
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