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"Unadopted" road?
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"Unadopted" road?
Crispy
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Someone fixes the street lights
nick
Pleomorphic Adenomas R us
I guess that is kind of the point of it - Whether one agrees or disagrees with with the LTN
Yep! I thought I had found a sneaky loophole. But Palace Rd, Leigham Vale, Probyn, Lanercost are definitely cut off from the ABCs, with the exception of a small tract of Amesbury between, but not including, Faygate and Emsbury. The only way is the south circular and then up Streatham Hill.I guess that is kind of the point of it - Whether one agrees or disagrees with with the LTN
There are some public car charging points and car club spaces in amongst those restricted areas. I wonder if it will have an impact on them.
sparkybird
ask the bird...
It shouldn't as they should be still accessible, albeit from a different route (as you found when you tried your loophole route!). If this isn't the case, it needs to be reported to the council so they can make adjustments. Google maps, Waze etc should be updating now..
There's a charging point on Hailsham Ave. If you live on Amesbury, between Hillside and Faygate, it would be a one minute walk but to drive it, I guess you'll go Amesbury, Hillside, Barcombe, A23, Leigham Court, Mountearl, Mount Nod, Hailsham.
I had to look that route up, and of course you would either just leave your car on Hailsham permanently or else find a new charging spot.
I'm not against the LTN, but just want to point out how inconvenient it can be.
sparkybird
ask the bird...
I guess there's not much way around that for the LTN to work though.
nick
Pleomorphic Adenomas R us
Guess that's a good reason to build more charge spots on the other side of the barrier.....
which would annoy people in Amesbury without electric cars as it would remove a parking spot
I don't see any of this being a completely zero sum game - but I think that the LTN concept seems to have greater benefit to more people than detriment to others. Doesn't mean that the implementation is perfect - I have no idea yet, time will tell. And it certainly seems that the claimed lack of communication has not made a lot of friends
which would annoy people in Amesbury without electric cars as it would remove a parking spot
I don't see any of this being a completely zero sum game - but I think that the LTN concept seems to have greater benefit to more people than detriment to others. Doesn't mean that the implementation is perfect - I have no idea yet, time will tell. And it certainly seems that the claimed lack of communication has not made a lot of friends
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
I don't drive. It's quite nice walking about the back streets on my daily mooch. No cars about. Lovely.
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
We just navigate what is left when the war is over.....
nick
Pleomorphic Adenomas R us
Or they could park in hailsham, 1 minute from their front door. ?
Having said that, if I ever find that the space directly outside my place has been taken by someone else I get annoyed <1st world problem>. Perhaps I should buy a road cone to put outside the house ?
Yeah, that's what I mean by leave the car in Hailsham permanently.
I am with you that I think there are more positives than negatives. It stops people driving through. People who live there have to spend an extra ten minutes getting home, but likely then park their cars for 15 hours, so it's not that great an imposition. I do think the opening of other rat runs is a problem. Rosedene in particular is very busy now and can't handle two cars passing each other like Downton can. They'll have to plug that hole.
Even turning right from the A23 onto Christchurch Road is much busier now, on Friday I had to wait until the third cycle to get over.
nick
Pleomorphic Adenomas R us
Sorry Smick _ I hadn't noticed that you had already suggested parking round the corner
I guess the a23 right turn onto A205 delay you mentioned is due to the law of unintended consequences. Also, because I assume that is all owned by TFL, there are added cross-jurisdiction complication. Perhaps they will change the phasing of those lights - but that would then impact the straight over traffic on a major junction.
Maybe it will become faster to carry on down brixton hill and take a right on Upper Tulse HIll, or Somers etc and move onto the south circular that way (Or cut even more of the "corner" and go Leigham Vale -> Avenue court road: I do feel sorry for Leigham Vale / Hitherfield school). New short cuts will evolve in time, people will complain and they will eventually also be blocked
No expert, but I'm imagining traffic like water: it will find the path of least resistance, and if it sits around too long some will evaporate.
Also - I'm sure this has been mentioned up thread, or on the mega Brixton LTN thread - but here is a map of all the comments - so you can zoom in and see if your neighbours' opinions match your expectations of them
I guess the a23 right turn onto A205 delay you mentioned is due to the law of unintended consequences. Also, because I assume that is all owned by TFL, there are added cross-jurisdiction complication. Perhaps they will change the phasing of those lights - but that would then impact the straight over traffic on a major junction.
Maybe it will become faster to carry on down brixton hill and take a right on Upper Tulse HIll, or Somers etc and move onto the south circular that way (Or cut even more of the "corner" and go Leigham Vale -> Avenue court road: I do feel sorry for Leigham Vale / Hitherfield school). New short cuts will evolve in time, people will complain and they will eventually also be blocked
No expert, but I'm imagining traffic like water: it will find the path of least resistance, and if it sits around too long some will evaporate.
Also - I'm sure this has been mentioned up thread, or on the mega Brixton LTN thread - but here is a map of all the comments - so you can zoom in and see if your neighbours' opinions match your expectations of them
nick
Pleomorphic Adenomas R us
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Sorry Smick _ I hadn't noticed that you had already suggested parking round the corner
I guess the a23 right turn onto A205 delay you mentioned is due to the law of unintended consequences. Also, because I assume that is all owned by TFL, there are added cross-jurisdiction complication. Perhaps they will change the phasing of those lights - but that would then impact the straight over traffic on a major junction.
Maybe it will become faster to carry on down brixton hill and take a right on Upper Tulse HIll, or Somers etc and move onto the south circular that way (Or cut even more of the "corner" and go Leigham Vale -> Avenue court road: I do feel sorry for Leigham Vale / Hitherfield school). New short cuts will evolve in time, people will complain and they will eventually also be blocked
No expert, but I'm imagining traffic like water: it will find the path of least resistance, and if it sits around too long some will evaporate.
Also - I'm sure this has been mentioned up thread, or on the mega Brixton LTN thread - but here is a map of all the comments - so you can zoom in and see if your neighbours' opinions match your expectations of them
Just clicked on a random ‘anti LTN’ comment from someone living in Cricklade Avenue:
”Please spare a thought for our children who go to City Heights, Hitherfield and Dunraven schools, even Sunnyhill on Valley Rd.,as people like me are forced to spend an extra 20 minutes sitting in traffic during rush hour on the arterial roads trying to get home.”
Google walking times from middle of Cricklade Avenue to schools;
City Heights - 15 mins
Hitherfield - 8 mins
Dunraven - 12 mins
Sunnyhill - 20 mins
nick
Pleomorphic Adenomas R us
That comments interactive map is full of win (something for everyone on either side to reinforce prejudices)
I liked this one from Palace Rd
"When my husband showed me the plan, I nearly burst in to tears! The letter talks of the "slight inconvenience" of changing route. If it was for the odd trip, that would be correct, but as a large number of my children's friends are Balham way and I shop that direction, plus my gym is that way, forcing us to go around by the busy South Circular (probably busier now traffic is going to be pushed on to it) each journey will take 10 mins longer. I have calculated that I will be in the car 2.5 hrs EXTRA a week. Ironically it will mean my children will travel by bus more increasing our exposure to COVID. I am so grateful that my children no longer go to school that direction, that would have been a complete nightmare and I feel for anyone with young children at a school they can not walk to the otherside of the "BARRIER" . I have to say it smacks of social engineering, that only those who do not have a busy job and have their children at a local school are allowed to live in the area. We would not have bought a house in the area if the system was already in place. I agree it would be great if it was not a cut through . Why in this day of technology can't there be a camera system to allow those living within the main roads have easy access in all directions . Using ANPR and either the time it takes for a car to pass through or registering residents car number plates, you could achieve the same but not put us into ghettos ."
My bold - so that is one (anecdotal) driver for it to depress house prices and not raise them
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I liked this one from Palace Rd
"When my husband showed me the plan, I nearly burst in to tears! The letter talks of the "slight inconvenience" of changing route. If it was for the odd trip, that would be correct, but as a large number of my children's friends are Balham way and I shop that direction, plus my gym is that way, forcing us to go around by the busy South Circular (probably busier now traffic is going to be pushed on to it) each journey will take 10 mins longer. I have calculated that I will be in the car 2.5 hrs EXTRA a week. Ironically it will mean my children will travel by bus more increasing our exposure to COVID. I am so grateful that my children no longer go to school that direction, that would have been a complete nightmare and I feel for anyone with young children at a school they can not walk to the otherside of the "BARRIER" . I have to say it smacks of social engineering, that only those who do not have a busy job and have their children at a local school are allowed to live in the area. We would not have bought a house in the area if the system was already in place. I agree it would be great if it was not a cut through . Why in this day of technology can't there be a camera system to allow those living within the main roads have easy access in all directions . Using ANPR and either the time it takes for a car to pass through or registering residents car number plates, you could achieve the same but not put us into ghettos ."
My bold - so that is one (anecdotal) driver for it to depress house prices and not raise them
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Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Oh dear. Life is hard for some.
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Ghettos?
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
Juicy post. I think I'm in favour of LTNs now!
I think the issue here might be that the person works somewhere that can only be driven to and they need to drive back to those schools to pick the kids up.
If it is someone in Cricklade who is using a car and driving down to the A23 to somehow get to Hitherfield then it would be madness. I can't see someone taking to the internet to complain about that. If you are already on Cricklade then you don't need to cross the Hillside Barrier. Even if you were at the very bottom, you could drive to Hillside and park at Hillside Passage and access Dunraven and Hitherfield very easily.
It's all just a difference in expectations though, it will all be alright in the end. I know I can't drive to central London without massive traffic and congestion charging so I alter my behaviour when I need to do that. The parent will realise that they need to leave work 20 minutes earlier or get in 20 minutes later. Expectations change, everyone is happy.
editor
hiraethified
Updated piece on the Tulse Hill Hotel
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A short illustrated history of the Tulse Hill Hotel in Tulse Hill, SE24
Located on Norwood Road close to the station, the Tulse Hill Hotel (also known as the Tulse Hill Tavern) has been serving customers since 1840, and now operates as a successful pub, restaurant and…
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editor
hiraethified
Here's some food for thought!
www.brixtonbuzz.com
Should Tulse Hill in south London be renamed seeing as it’s named after a 17th century slave trader?
With the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, the toppling of colonial statues all around the world and the renaming of institutes named after slave owners, there’s been some discussion o…
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editor
hiraethified
Some fucking wanker as stolen Nobby's bike
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£150 reward offered – Orange mobility bike stolen from outside Tulse Hill Co-op
Some low life stole this distinctive, bright orange electric mobility bicycle from from outside the Co-op in Tulse hill last night, and the owner needs it back urgently. Update: there is now a £150…
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Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Here's some food for thought!
Should Tulse Hill in south London be renamed seeing as it’s named after a 17th century slave trader?
With the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, the toppling of colonial statues all around the world and the renaming of institutes named after slave owners, there’s been some discussion o…
I think there is an argument that the Tulse Hill Council Ward should be renamed.
Re naming whole areas is different issue.
I have a couple of issues about how what is supposed to address BLM issues.
For some acknowledging individual slave traders from centuries ago is the end of the matter. Tate and his ilk are to be left alone.
The way race is dealt with in this country is that "we" abolished slavery. So "we" are the good guys. Unlike the USA.
Fact that the British Empire colonised and exploitated other parts of the world is to be skated over.
After all "we" have the commonwealth and eventually let them have independence.
Another thing read this really good article by Gary Younge ( ex Guardian journalist), He points out that he is afraid that the issues that BLM have foregrounded could end up as racisim awareness training.
BLM is ( and I agree with this) about much more than that. Lot of it in this country intersects with class.
The material issues ( some of which intersect with class.) are large proportion of Black people in justice system, Windrush, immigration issues. With issues that cross with class - Grenfell for example.
So its not just about statues or names of areas. The danger is that more cultural issues- naming of places will displace the ongoing longstanding material issues.
Take Windrush- this was not explicit racism. The Hostile environment is racist. But in a bureaucratic way that is deniable.
Gary Younge: ‘We Need a Systemic Understanding of How Race Impacts Life’
Writer and academic Gary Younge speaks to Tribune about the global Black Lives Matter movement, the persistence of racism in Britain – and why racial awareness training won't cut it.
tribunemag.co.uk
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and a thread about it Should Tulse Hill in south London - named after a 17th century slave trader - change its name?Here's some food for thought!
Should Tulse Hill in south London be renamed seeing as it’s named after a 17th century slave trader?
With the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, the toppling of colonial statues all around the world and the renaming of institutes named after slave owners, there’s been some discussion o…
OvalhouseDB
Well-Known Member
I live in a road in this LTN and I can assure you that many, many residents are very unhappy indeed with living inside the LTN and having a long long route round to anywhere except their ONE entry / exit point, and also with the impact on the surrounding roads and the people who live there. The residents were not consulted before this was implemented. I agree that the roads were fine and quiet enough, except for snarl ups on the bus route end of Hillside, and in Daysbrook, and Wyatt Park rd. But there was already discussion happening about how to solve those discrete problems.
There is fear for the shops on Amesbury, and childminders now trapped in maze-like cu-de-sacs. A significant number of residents are in favour but as cycling advocates, not due to middle class NIMBYISM as far as I can see from the intense discussions on WhatsApp and NextDoor. I agree the queues on the S Circular have increased past Fenstanton, the care home and the flats on both sides.
gaijingirl
Well-Known Member
I have a colleague who lives on one of the LTN ABC roads and she's also against. She's not a big driver (cycles a lot) but it has massively increased her drive to work. Another colleague has to come through several LTNs on her way into work and it has meant that sometimes it takes her 2 hours to get home for a former 30 minute journey. I have never driven to work - always cycle, but even as a cyclist I'm not sure this has been a great solution. It seems to have created chaos, more pollution and people being in their cars for longer.
On the plus side, more cycle friendly solutions are popping up here and there - such as the white pole things down the side of Brockwell park "cordoning" off the cycle lane. It's not the best example of them as that little stretch of cycle lane is generally ok and lots of people go through the park anyway but I've seen them in Tooting too.
On the plus side, more cycle friendly solutions are popping up here and there - such as the white pole things down the side of Brockwell park "cordoning" off the cycle lane. It's not the best example of them as that little stretch of cycle lane is generally ok and lots of people go through the park anyway but I've seen them in Tooting too.
