Tulse Hill: Hunt for boys in photos set to go on show at Tate Britain
Ingrid Pollard took pictures of pupils at Tulse Hill School in 1989, shortly before it closed.
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On the likes of the South Circular, the 20mph limit reduces safe stopping distance between cars, allowing greater volume of traffic. I’d argue that it actually speeds things up in free flowing traffic.
oldandjaded
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Hopefully at 2am I'm saving lots of lives while I'm crawling home.
snowy_again
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Its a minute per mile difference between 30 and 20mph isn't it?
Crispy
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On the off chance that you do save one, the very slight increase in journey times (in urban driving you spend a fair amount of time accelerating, decelerating or waiting. The actual time saved due to going faster is very small) is worth it.
Crispy
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Yes. 30mph is 1/2 miles/minute or 2 minutes/mile. 20mph is 1/3 miles/minute or 3 minutes/mile. The difference is even less with waiting, de/accelerating taken into account.
There were A LOT of emergency vehicles on blue lights going through Brixton around 5.
Rezina Choudhury has just confirmed it on a neighbourhood watch group.
14 year old kid in school uniform, stabbed outside City Heights High, ambulance was called to Lanercost Road. Single stab wound, thankfully injuries aren’t life changing. They have identified the person who did it and aren’t looking for anyone.
Fucking grim. 14.
14 year old kid in school uniform, stabbed outside City Heights High, ambulance was called to Lanercost Road. Single stab wound, thankfully injuries aren’t life changing. They have identified the person who did it and aren’t looking for anyone.
Fucking grim. 14.
GarveyLives
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Tulse Hill: Hunt for boys in photos set to go on show at Tate Britain
Ingrid Pollard took pictures of pupils at Tulse Hill School in 1989, shortly before it closed.www.bbc.co.uk
(Source: ingridpollard.com)
“I’ve often, far more recently, wondered what they’re still doing, if they’re still in south London. They might be out of the UK, anything
“I think if we find some of the boys, they might remember people’s names. They could still be friends.”
Three of the Tulse Hill School pupils shown in one of the photographs concerned have now been located ... and 35 years later, they look very much the same!:
'A photo of us is now at the Tate - it's surreal'
Hopefully, the others will be traced soon.
Crispy
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This work will start soon, to be finished by Christmas, but without the bollards (would have made it difficult for westbound buses to pull over to the stand/stop on Hardel Rise).
I joined the online meeting discussing the change of the old bookies shop to a slot machine centre.
First thing immediately apparent was that the lawyer working for the applicant and the applicant himself were massively more smooth than the councillors and council planning officer in terms of delivering their message.
Interesting points were that there seems to be a vibrant and proud residential community living above the shops on Norwood Road, with several articulate and intelligent people living above, and having lived there for a long time, articulating their opposition to the new premises. The arts and music businesses in Parade Mews also spoke very well.
The other item of note was, I believe, a councillor who said that more than five people with ideas for a new business had been to the agent for that premises and can’t even get a viewing - the agent seems to have reserved it for the slot machine centre and is leaving it vacant on purpose. We have had lots of new businesses, or renovated in the past few years so it makes sense.
The business owner himself talked about a great local knowledge then, in my opinion, proved that he didn’t have the knowledge he insisted he did. He also said that because the two bookies shops had closed, the area was underserved for gambling establishments and made it sound like he was providing a community service. The council officer seemed to speak in his favour, saying that bookies shops have people loitering because they are waiting for the next race. Slot machine shops don’t because people spend their money and go straight home.
I think these centres are the absolute pits and hopefully the council tell them to fuck off.
First thing immediately apparent was that the lawyer working for the applicant and the applicant himself were massively more smooth than the councillors and council planning officer in terms of delivering their message.
Interesting points were that there seems to be a vibrant and proud residential community living above the shops on Norwood Road, with several articulate and intelligent people living above, and having lived there for a long time, articulating their opposition to the new premises. The arts and music businesses in Parade Mews also spoke very well.
The other item of note was, I believe, a councillor who said that more than five people with ideas for a new business had been to the agent for that premises and can’t even get a viewing - the agent seems to have reserved it for the slot machine centre and is leaving it vacant on purpose. We have had lots of new businesses, or renovated in the past few years so it makes sense.
The business owner himself talked about a great local knowledge then, in my opinion, proved that he didn’t have the knowledge he insisted he did. He also said that because the two bookies shops had closed, the area was underserved for gambling establishments and made it sound like he was providing a community service. The council officer seemed to speak in his favour, saying that bookies shops have people loitering because they are waiting for the next race. Slot machine shops don’t because people spend their money and go straight home.
I think these centres are the absolute pits and hopefully the council tell them to fuck off.
Tulster218
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This always seems to be the case. The applicant's lawyers are usually brilliant at what they do, and run rings around the council. Whether it's planning, licensing or legal disputes, the council always looks amateur and lightweight. It's because the Council is under resourced and poorly managed. I see their pay grades, and they all seem pretty generous to me. The problem is deeper more complicated than just paying them more. It's about culture and accountability.
Given the money these centres rake in, they can afford to pay for the best legal representation.
The way the meeting was structured, he was able to speak for long periods uninterrupted and make statements that were questionable, to say the least. Things like the fact that this is not one of the corporate gambling centres, like Merkur and Admiral, portraying it as small business, bringing something to the community. It's probably more to do with the fact that he can't compete with rents in the likes of Brixton Road or Lewisham centre, where I have seen these slot machine centres.
The other thing was that the licence application is for a bingo hall rather than a slot machine venue, yet it is to be called "Reels Casino Slots" which, to my mind, is attempting to obscure the reason behind their true purpose. This was twisted and portrayed that they were being more honest in doing so as a bingo licence is more restrictive.
He also said they had listened to local concerns and, instead of 24hr opening, were only going to apply for 9am - midnight opening, as if that is a significant concession and someone putting money in a £100 a spin fruit machine at 9am is somehow healthy.
It is probably going to be the case that the local people don't want it, the local councilors don't want it, the local schools don't want it, the local shops don't want it, but the high-price lawyer will manouevre the council licensing office into a corner where they have no choice but to approve it.
Tulster218
Well-Known Member
Exactly.
Calling a slot-machine-casino a bingo-hall is dishonest, but it's probably legal. That's lawyers for you: dishonest, but technically legal.
All betting shops are parasites feeding off the false hope of society's most vulnerable. That's why we need a robust licensing process. That's why Lambeth has to get better at this sort of thing.
He said that bingo halls are entitled to put as many slot machines in as they want, as are slot machine operators. So putting in an application for a bingo hall doesn't in any way impact the licensing for the premises. The difference, apparently, is a technicality. Obviously though, seeing a licence application for a bingo hall makes you think of people chatting to each other, blotting pen in hand, someone waving a card and shouting "House!". Rather than a zombie glued to a machine designed by psychologists, putting his kids' dinner money into it to try and win back the week's rent he has already put in. It's an attempt to disguise their true purpose, and a fancy lawyer can say otherwise with a straight face.
A lot of objections were due to the crowd of people that the gambling centre will bring into the area, but I would be more worried about local people losing their money.
I really can't see that anyone benefits from such shops other than the owners. I concede that I might put an occasional bet on the football, and have been to casinos in the past, and others might say the same about those places. But having this place in Zone 3, downstairs from residential homes, 5 minute walk from Elmgreen school, and next door to a chicken shop where schookids hang out, it just isn't right.
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Tulse Hill: Hunt for boys in photos set to go on show at Tate Britain
Ingrid Pollard took pictures of pupils at Tulse Hill School in 1989, shortly before it closed.www.bbc.co.uk
(Source: ingridpollard.com)
“I’ve often, far more recently, wondered what they’re still doing, if they’re still in south London. They might be out of the UK, anything
“I think if we find some of the boys, they might remember people’s names. They could still be friends.”
Three of the Tulse Hill School pupils shown in one of the photographs concerned have now been located ... and 35 years later, they look very much the same!:
'A photo of us is now at the Tate - it's surreal'
Hopefully, the others will be traced soon.
The three lads in the photo are interviewed here
How this Tulse Hill trio found their photo in the Tate - BBC Sounds
The friends didn't even remember the photo being taken at school 35 years ago.
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friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
Did you know there is a 'landmark for the Landmark' project to mark the centre on tulsehill for people with hiv/ aids 1989 - 2001. It was in the building that is now a nusery. There is going to be a sculpture or plaque or something.
colacubes
Mr Hot Cookie
Likely fire engines. Big fire at a scaffold yard on Norwood High Street apparently.
I think the standard of driving has become worse since the alterations to the gyratory. Twice now I’ve had drivers ignore me as I go to cross the zebra crossing from the south side of Christchurch Road.
The only option is to stand and wait for someone to decide to stop. I usually shout and raise my hand to those who stop, who often seem unaware that they’re going through a zebra crossing.
I think there’s a bit more jostling to get past the buses parked beside the church with one fewer lane and, once they’re getting past, they floor it.
I’m now quite unsure what benefits the changes were supposed to bring. What is needed is average and fixed speed cameras covering the whole gyratory.
The only option is to stand and wait for someone to decide to stop. I usually shout and raise my hand to those who stop, who often seem unaware that they’re going through a zebra crossing.
I think there’s a bit more jostling to get past the buses parked beside the church with one fewer lane and, once they’re getting past, they floor it.
I’m now quite unsure what benefits the changes were supposed to bring. What is needed is average and fixed speed cameras covering the whole gyratory.
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