Tulse Hill news, chitter chatter and gossip

[Smick]

Although he may well be "forgotten about" by many of those who now live in or attend pubs and bars in Tulse Hill and the surrounding area, it is unlikely that he will be forgotten so quickly by the other children who knew him, the children who witnessed his death, or his family, including his mother who was apparently on her way to collect him when he was killed.

Yes, of course, and it will haunt his poor mother for the rest of her days. There is absolutely nothing which will ever comfort her.

But, as a community, we rightly show revulsion for such acts, but we soon let them fade. There was a boy stabbed to death in TH on New Years Eve, I witnessed the cleanup over the summer of a non fatal stabbing on Roupell Road, and now this. Those are three that I can think of. I’m sure we will end the year with another, having started it with one.

If there had been two fatalities and a serious injury within the space of a year at a road crossing in the area, there would be sustained calls to do something about it.

We are going to hear this boy’s name today, it will be in our minds for a few days, we will sympathise with his family and friends, and then the next one will come along.

This is my fucking neighbourhood, I have lived here for ten years and i bring up two kids here. I love it and I love the people. I don’t want this.

Even the stupid bastard who killed him is a victim in all this, let down by all of us. He doesn’t get my sympathy, but he wasn’t born to a family who hoped he would go out and do this.

I have no idea what to do. I just feel so depressed about the sheer stupid waste and hurt.

 

[ringo]

Really sad and tragic news to wake up to. Just 16 FFS. Not what I wanted to tell my 15 year old this morning as she went off to sit her GCSE's. Heart breaking and terrifying.

 

[editor]

Although he may well be "forgotten about" by many of those who now live in or attend pubs and bars in Tulse Hill and the surrounding area

You're actually trying to score points from this tragedy with this idiotic point? The nature of living in heavily populated cities means that people from all walks of life aren't likely to dwell on this tragedy forever, but to try and single out a particular demographic of people who drink in pubs - some of whom will have roots in the community far deeper than you - is truly moronic. Have a word with yourself.

 

[DJWrongspeed]

I walk that path through the estate on occasion so was sickened to hear this. ES witnesses suggest possible mistaken identity?

I'm bored with everyone blaming govt, police, schools but obviously there are many parties that can help turn this around.

 

[GarveyLives]

He will be forgotten about in three days.

Although he may well be "forgotten about" by many of those who now live in or attend pubs and bars in Tulse Hill and the surrounding area, it is unlikely that he will be forgotten so quickly by the other children who knew him, the children who witnessed his death, or his family, including his mother who was apparently on her way to collect him when he was killed.

"Witnesses today told how the mother of the latest victim had arrived in her car to collect her son, who was visiting the estate when he was attacked at 10.53pm.

A neighbour told the Standard: “I heard the person who did it saying ‘we got him, we got him’. I went to the window and I could see a guy running off with a gun.”
...
Elena Erik, 42, said: “I looked out from the balcony and I saw the mum. She was crying ‘my son, my son’, as he was laying on the floor. It’s so sad.”

A neighbour in Greenleaf Close, Tulse Hill, said she thought she heard a gunshot before dashing outside and finding the teenager in a driveway. Paulina Wedderburn, 52, said: “The boy was laying down. He looked like an angel, like he was sleeping. I just feel sorry for the mum. The mum’s screams I can’t get out of my head.

“There were a couple of the mothers trying to resuscitate him. I didn’t see any blood. It was absolutely awful. When they put the blanket over him the whole estate broke down in tears.” She added that the victim’s mother had repeatedly warned her son not to go to the estate.

Mrs Wedderburn described how the boy’s mother witnessed the killers chasing her son before they drove off in what looked like a black Audi. She added: “What’s going on? What is it? Why do they have to be killing each other? When I was growing up in the Seventies, if there was a fist fight, that was it. There were no knives.” ...

(Source: Evening Standard)

Those who depict life in Tulse Hill as little other than a series of parties in a public house outside local railway station the may well forget this in three days, but those who witnessed what happened, including other children and his own mother, will live with this for the rest of their lives.

This trauma is being replicated on a daily basis in communities across London (and elsewhere) and the consequences may be considerably deeper than can be conveyed by merely posting swear words when such killings occur, or complaining about others who draw attention to them.

 

[Smick]

Those who depict life in Tulse Hill as little other than a series of parties in a public house outside local railway station

Who the fuck does that?

Tulse Hill is a vibrant community with residents from all round the world, from the most marginalised to the wealthiest. Bars, shops, restaurants and cafes, churches, scouts and guides, commuters, workers, people doing their best.

You are an odious piece of work. An absolute stain.

 

[sparkybird]

Mr SB was chatting to someone who lives on that estate and was one of the first on the scene. Horrific. he's got a young family and is scared for them, would like to move, he says lots of intimidation by youth exists. How many other families are there like this and who can't move?
Young people and families can't live like this.
It seems every few days a young life is wasted.
I don't have any answers but this can't go on.

 

[editor]

Who the fuck does that?

Tulse Hill is a vibrant community with residents from all round the world, from the most marginalised to the wealthiest. Bars, shops, restaurants and cafes, churches, scouts and guides, commuters, workers, people doing their best.

You are an odious piece of work. An absolute stain.

I've had enough of this. He's been warned about disrupting threads with this inflammatory shit and if he carries on he'll be banned for life.

It's not the first time he's singled out places I put on free club nights at and then implied that's all I care about. He's clearly too stupid to realise that many people from the local community come to these nights, and if he thinks I don't care why the fuck do I provide a free forum for him to post up his ghoulish cut and paste garbage, run a web site that fights for the community and raise thousands of pounds for local youth charities - which include Tulse Hill in their catchment area.

I really struggle to think why he thinks it's appropriate to try and score really cheap points over tragedies like this. It's despicable behaviour.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

"Witnesses today told how the mother of the latest victim had arrived in her car to collect her son, who was visiting the estate when he was attacked at 10.53pm.

A neighbour told the Standard: “I heard the person who did it saying ‘we got him, we got him’. I went to the window and I could see a guy running off with a gun.”
...
Elena Erik, 42, said: “I looked out from the balcony and I saw the mum. She was crying ‘my son, my son’, as he was laying on the floor. It’s so sad.”

A neighbour in Greenleaf Close, Tulse Hill, said she thought she heard a gunshot before dashing outside and finding the teenager in a driveway. Paulina Wedderburn, 52, said: “The boy was laying down. He looked like an angel, like he was sleeping. I just feel sorry for the mum. The mum’s screams I can’t get out of my head.

“There were a couple of the mothers trying to resuscitate him. I didn’t see any blood. It was absolutely awful. When they put the blanket over him the whole estate broke down in tears.” She added that the victim’s mother had repeatedly warned her son not to go to the estate.

Mrs Wedderburn described how the boy’s mother witnessed the killers chasing her son before they drove off in what looked like a black Audi. She added: “What’s going on? What is it? Why do they have to be killing each other? When I was growing up in the Seventies, if there was a fist fight, that was it. There were no knives.” ...

(Source: Evening Standard)

Those who depict life in Tulse Hill as little other than a series of parties in a public house outside local railway station the may well forget this in three days, but those who witnessed what happened, including other children and his own mother, will live with this for the rest of their lives.

This trauma is being replicated on a daily basis in communities across London (and elsewhere) and the consequences may be considerably deeper than can be conveyed by merely posting swear words when such killings occur, or complaining about others who draw attention to them.

Cheap and pointless shot.

What are you doing to make a huge difference to the lives of these people who's turmoil you constantly cut, paste and post here?

 

[GarveyLives]

He will be forgotten about in three days.

The child murdered at Grenleaf Close, Tulse Hill Estate, on Monday 5 November 2018 has now been formally identified as John Ogunjobi, 16, of Tulse Hill (despite earlier reports that he did not live in the local area).

A post-mortem examination held earlier today at Greenwich Mortuary gave cause of death as a stab wound. Enquiries are ongoing to establish whether a firearm was discharged.

An investigation is underway by detectives from the Homicide and Major Crime Command, led by Detective Chief Inspector Richard Vandenbergh.

Media speculation continues as to whether this child was or was not involved in a "gang" or 'drill' "music", or merely an organist. In any event, a relative told the Evening Standard: “He was retaking his GCSEs and was planning to go into engineering. He wanted to do an apprenticeship course.” The child's friends said he had previously played football for local team St Matthew’s FC and went to school in West Norwood.

The Late John Ogunjobi​

Officers are also appealing to anyone who may have captured footage or images of the incident on their mobile phone to get in contact. No arrests have been made to date.

Anyone with information is asked to contact the incident room on 020 8721 4961 or call Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

You can also tweet information to @MetCC.​

 

[ringo]

Massive armed police presence outside the Tulse Hill Hotel. Rumours on FB of another fatal stabbing

 

[gaijingirl]

Massive armed police presence outside the Tulse Hill Hotel. Rumours on FB of another fatal stabbing

I was just there as they put up the cordons, they're not letting anyone through - it's in the flats next to the Euro Car Centre. Sooo many police there. I had hoped it was just a drugs bust. I still do...

 

[ringo]

I was just there as they put up the cordons, they're not letting anyone through - it's in the flats next to the Euro Car Centre. Sooo many police there. I had hoped it was just a drugs bust. I still do...

Someone on the West Norwood Local FB group just said they asked a copper on the cordon and he told them it was a fatal stabbing

 

[gaijingirl]

Someone on the West Norwood Local FB group just said they asked a copper on the cordon and he told them it was a fatal stabbing

 

[editor]

Someone on the West Norwood Local FB group just said they asked a copper on the cordon and he told them it was a fatal stabbing

That's terrible news. This is really getting out of hand

 

[ringo]

London 999 Twitter account now quoted on FB group:
BREAKING: A man believed to be in his 50’s has been found with head injuries. Police were called at 12.54pm to Norwood Road, #TulseHill, #SE24. Sadly, the victim has been pronounced dead at the scene. Scotland Yard confirm no arrests. A crime scene remains.

 

[editor]

It's in the Standard:
Man found dead from severe head injuries in south London street

 

[BusLanes]

Walked past the Tulse Hill site a couple of times today - there is a little shrine there - flowers, cards and chalked messages. Also walked past the Clapham South site too, which has a smaller shrine of flowers.

 

[T & P]

Has anyone heard any further news about the man who died on Friday? There was a police car guarding the site for most of the weekend, presumably to protect it from external contamination. But judging by where the incident might have happened (based on where a paramedic kit bag that was still visible today at the bottom of the 'pit') it looks to me as if it could have been a tragic fall.

 

[M0llyMols]

So sad to hear about the killing of the 16 year old child and the gentleman in his 50's. I'm still making the move to TH. I really hope things get better

 

[GarveyLives]

He will be forgotten about in three days.

Today, detectives investigating the fatal stabbing of 16-year-old John Ogunjobi, 16 in Tulse Hill have made four arrests.

Four men - aged [A] 22, 20, [C] 21 and [D] 23 - have been arrested on suspicion of murder and taken to custody at south London police stations for questioning.

Officers are appealing to anyone who may have captured footage or images of the incident on their mobile phone to get in contact.

Anyone with information is asked to contact the incident room on 020 8721 4961 or call Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

You can also tweet information to @MetCC.​

 

[Thimble Queen]

Poor kid. It's heart breaking. His poor mum. And the old fella too. I don't remember it being this bad when I lived in TH, just two years ago :/

 

[Smick]

Poor kid. It's heart breaking. His poor mum. And the old fella too. I don't remember it being this bad when I lived in TH, just two years ago :/

What makes it really shocking is that it isn’t that bad two years later. People are still friendly. Saying hello to strangers on Norwood Rd, a quick chat in the Co-op, chatting to neighbours, businesses operating as normal etc. There’s a strong neighbourhood ethos in TH and people are getting on with their lives. It doesn’t feel bad.

I think that’s what shocks me though, that we all go on as before.

 

[editor]

This Friday in the Railway -

Brixton Buzz brings the party to The Railway, Tulse Hill – and it’s free all night! Fri 16th Nov 2018

 

[T & P]

An iron gate has just been installed at the front of the perimeter brick wall of the flat where a man died last week. Beforehand there was an open gap and anyone could walk straight into the front garden and fall to the bottom as there are no railings.

Doesn’t prove anything but it suggests to me the man who died could have just wondered in, fallen and hit his head into the concrete ground below?

 

[oldandjaded]

When i moved to the area there were curb crawlers will be prosecuted sign on Christchurch road. It must be better as the sign has gone.

 

[nick]

It must be better as the sign has gone.

MAybe someone stole it?

 

[Nanker Phelge]

MAybe someone stole it?

it's up on my bedroom wall...

 

[nick]

There used to be kerb crawler signs on Christchurch / Hillside corners.
Haven't seen much evidence of sex workers there for a long time, and no warning sign.
Maybe a dangerous assumption but I think they move to closer to the location of the latest crack-house. For instance for last couple of months there have been a few hanging around in the mornings at the Brixton Hill end of Upper Tulse Hill. In times past (many years) there were grouping around top of Brixton Hill/ New Park Road with a den allegedly being on Lyham Road.

It's all very sad

 

[shakespearegirl]

There’s a lot of sex workers around upper Tulse Hill/somers road now, been quite a big increase recently. Apparently they’ve been using the gardens down the bottom of Archbishops place to do business.