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Travelling from the UK to the USA with a criminal record
- Thread starter slish66
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Hmmm. Being doing a bit more reading on the internet and nowhere, even on the US gov sites, does it say you have to take your ACPO form to a J-1 visa meeting. Probably best seeing what the embassy say I need to take and just take the guy from the coaching company's advice and just tick no to everything.
Fez909
toilet expert
don't do anything until you've spoken to a solicitor. this could fuck up your chances forever. it seems like you should be OK getting in if you're honest, but if you lie they'll know and then you're blacklisted.
seriously, get some proper advice on this (not randoms off the internet)
seriously, get some proper advice on this (not randoms off the internet)
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Even applying for the visa is giving them more info than you have to.
Im sure ive said it before and i will repeat. Does anyone out there actually believe that the US immigration bods have a list of every conviction of every person in the world? Because that is what they would have to have if you dont disclose anything to them. The Uk authorities do not share police records and the US would have to go thru Interpol to get them. It aint gonna happen folks, so unless you are a terrorist threat, big time drug dealer or mafia don I doubt there is any chance whatsoever of being found out, go for it!
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Proper advice, what would that be then? Any solicitor is going to advice to play it absolutely to the letter of the law, when in reality there is absolutely no need to do this. Internet is best place to get some real life experiences about what is necessary or not.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
How will they know you are lying as a matter of interest?
Fez909
toilet expert
He's going to work in the USA. It's not just a holiday. He'll need a social security number and whatever else. And for that they need a J-1 visa. And the J-1 visa requires an ACPO cert, which shows any criminal convictions. He's have already seen his ACPO cert as her got it done himselves and it said, "no live trace" which means there is an expired caution. The US embassy will know this, and they will ask to see the Subject Access Report so they can judge exactly how serious the caution is, and then make a decision on that.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
My apologies I missed the bit about the J1 visa.
After speaking to a couple of people in the last couple of days who have been for J-1 visa interviews, they have both said the embassy did not see the ACPO form. It seems like the ACPO form is just for the company you are working for as they are acting as your sponsor, therefore it is their responsibility to carry out a criminal background check on you.
Obviously this is just from two friends so I still can't be sure, but seems like legit info that is backed up by there being nothing on the embassy website about taking the ACPO form with me.
Obviously this is just from two friends so I still can't be sure, but seems like legit info that is backed up by there being nothing on the embassy website about taking the ACPO form with me.
Hi all,
Just want to share my experience I booked a holiday last year for me and my boyfriend for feb 15th!
....he has a criminal record and was actually in prison for 6 months now the conviction (only conviction) actually wasn't listed as CIMT (moral turpitude) but it didn't stop me from worrying.... Anyways we boarded the plane and landed went through border control and nothing he was fine!
I think they have a lot more important people to look out for than a accident which cost my bf 6 months of his life 8 years ago, I'm not telling people to follow my actions but just wanted to share my experience
Just want to share my experience I booked a holiday last year for me and my boyfriend for feb 15th!
....he has a criminal record and was actually in prison for 6 months now the conviction (only conviction) actually wasn't listed as CIMT (moral turpitude) but it didn't stop me from worrying.... Anyways we boarded the plane and landed went through border control and nothing he was fine!
I think they have a lot more important people to look out for than a accident which cost my bf 6 months of his life 8 years ago, I'm not telling people to follow my actions but just wanted to share my experience
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Nice one Shanir123
Lessons: Don't grass yourself up. As 1927 has said, unless you are big time you'll be fine. I have numerous minor convictions, all of which could have carried substantial prison time, never had any trouble; in fact in October at LAX I was through immigration in under a minute, including fingerprints and photo.
Lessons: Don't grass yourself up. As 1927 has said, unless you are big time you'll be fine. I have numerous minor convictions, all of which could have carried substantial prison time, never had any trouble; in fact in October at LAX I was through immigration in under a minute, including fingerprints and photo.
Was it a police certificate form you applied for from acro?
I'm really intrigued because I am sending off for one today, and have a meeting as the embassy booked for 22nd April, going to vegas on the 3rd June!
If it was the police cert. from acro you got then I am releived as I was worried about the amount of detail is included in it! .. does it literally just say the offence and when it was?
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Why do people bother reading this thread if they then go against everything that they get told?
The comment from USVISA above is a load of bollocks imho.
DUI is NOT a crime of moral turpitude and there is no reason to declare it, and the US authorities will almost certainly find out if you don't declare it. The Home Office do not, repeat, do not share info with the US authorities, and can only do so if the info is requested via Interpol channels. Does anyone with any ounce of intelligence really think they would approach Interpol for the records of every single person on every flight arriving from Europe, it a no brainer.
The USA is so large that there own databases cannot keep track of their own citizens, they can hardly keep track of everyone in the world.
The comment from USVISA above is a load of bollocks imho.
DUI is NOT a crime of moral turpitude and there is no reason to declare it, and the US authorities will almost certainly find out if you don't declare it. The Home Office do not, repeat, do not share info with the US authorities, and can only do so if the info is requested via Interpol channels. Does anyone with any ounce of intelligence really think they would approach Interpol for the records of every single person on every flight arriving from Europe, it a no brainer.
The USA is so large that there own databases cannot keep track of their own citizens, they can hardly keep track of everyone in the world.
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James curtis
New Member
Can you tell me if i can get in usa on a esta please if iv got 1 conviction and that is charged on a class c drug?? As dont want to apply for a visa as more expensive? Is there any 1 whos traveled to states RECENTLY and not declared there offence and got threw ok/please help as iv tried contacting embassy but only automated service???
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Which state are you flying to? Many of them now have mandatory punctuation and grammar screening tests for overseas visitors; it's outrageous and discriminatory, and the ACLU are doing what they can to end the practice, but you may find that you don't qualify for entry.
James curtis
New Member
Im going to florida for 3 weeks If i didnt declare this on esta do you think they will find out when i go threw customs????
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Florida's test is one of the toughest. Mug up on gerunds.
James curtis
New Member
So do you think ild get pulled up then? What would happen if they caught me etc isnt there anyway i could do a visa etc if i got caught?
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
If you conflated a gerund with a present participle I believe there would be a short period of detention before you were repatriated. Sunshine State my arse, frankly.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
If you must, try travelling on a Disney package holiday via Florida then piss off and do what you have to when you get there. Try and look the part. Best as part of a family group. You will then get a stamp in your passport and that helps with future visits. If you get caught deny deny until you die. They will just throw you out at your expense.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
if you go threwing customs about you are going daaaaahn
fyi it is "through"
how will they find out? how?
James Curtis, this is the facts as they seem to be: The ESTA allows advance checking and there is now a record sharing program between the US and UK and others. I got stopped in 2009, did a bit of digging into this and it's based on what's known as the FCC or Five Country Conference Protocol (information taken from this FOI request, see the final link for the FCC report, p.16ish, the bit where it says 'some of these will contain both immigration and policing info' https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/us_access_to_uk_criminal_record)which agrees to sharing records of interest for the purposes of immigration, asylum, the prevention of criminal activity etc and is based on your fingerprints which they'll take at border entry....So if your dabs are in the system, it's highly likely they will emerge as will your conviction. My conviction doesn't really count under US law, (but i got arrested regardless which is sufficient to exclude you from VWP, the question is have you been arrested OR convicted, not whether it involves moral turpitude) but drugs seems to requires intent of distribution, possession doesn't seem to count and assault which might (a caution assumes an arrest) means you may have crimes of moral turpitude and have been arrested. Arrest makes you ineligible for the Visa waiver. You have more odds of getting caught if you've been in the country before because your prints will be in the system and if the random check draws a match, that's you.... I flew for four years before i got stopped. Failing to admit arrest or conviction at Immigration is also an offence so if you lie if you're asked, it's another strike....I said yes, spent a sweaty two hours in an interview room but got admitted, but was advised that I wouldn't be able to return again without a visa (I now have a ten year so it can be done and have been back). You may be returned on the next flight, right of entry is down to the admitting officials. If you get caught and returned your odds of reentering the US are minimal, it's ten years before you can reapply! More guidance here on what constitutes moral turpitude, but I'd get a visa...https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/736/~/admission-to-the-u.s.-with-either-a-misdemeanor-or-criminal-record.
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James curtis
New Member
thank you so much for your advice i think im going to have to apply for a visa as i dont want to get al the way there with my 2children,girlfriend etc and have to be sent home on the next flight. i went to florida in sep 2013 so as you say they have my prints so more likely to get pulled up. thank you for your advice
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
James, if you have already booked your holiday you are a bit fucked really. If you apply for a visa with a drugs conviction you are more than likely going to be turned down. Whilst you may not technically be eligible foe a nests or the visa waiver program it I s really your only option now. Like all the advice in this thread has stated if you don't tell them how are they going to found out? You state that you went to USA last year, did you have your conviction then?
As for the links from Wanizame above, have you tried reading them? The information in the links don't back up his comments and IMHO do not change any of the advice here to go to USA and keep Schtum!
As for the links from Wanizame above, have you tried reading them? The information in the links don't back up his comments and IMHO do not change any of the advice here to go to USA and keep Schtum!
moody
Member of The Underground.
just to reiterate this point,'
the us, does not have access to every single persons criminal record in the world. what kind of fuck off database would that require?
moody
Member of The Underground.
what a load of shite, sorry.
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