Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

[The39thStep]

This is odd.

I've just checked half a dozen reports of his latest conviction, none mention bail, one way or the other.

But, he was released on bail pending this latest hearing, perhaps that continues until he is sentenced.

yes it complex.

 

[cupid_stunt]

yes it complex.

Thing is, I don't do twitter, and have no idea who the people are on that thread, some are saying it's civil, others it's criminal.

The quote & link I provided was from a firm of solicitors, quoting case law, so I am inclined to accept that, over randoms on twitter, especially as he was released on bail pending this new hearing, suggesting it is indeed a criminal case.

 

[19force8]

I seem to recall an interview with a prisoner who was in the same nick [Onley? mostly BAME prisoners anyway] last time saying they took a collective decision to lay off him because of potential backlash outside. So his "fear" is mostly performance and grift.

Actually said they wanted to show they were the better men, but there was definitely an awareness of potential martyrdom.

 

[The39thStep]

Thing is, I don't do twitter, and have no idea who the people are on that thread, some are saying it's civil, others it's criminal.

The quote & link I provided was from a firm of solicitors, quoting case law, so I am inclined to accept that, over randoms on twitter, especially as he was released on bail pending this new hearing, suggesting it is indeed a criminal case.

Fine but you'll have to fathom out why there was no issue of bail either unconditional or conditional .

 

[cupid_stunt]

Fine but you'll have to fathom out why there was no issue of bail either unconditional or conditional .

As I posted before, perhaps the bail conditions in place before the new hearing continues, and therefore no new order was required?

 

[M Testa]

The best bit is that he's not just asking for asylum, he seems to think they'll actually come in and rescue him. I'm sure they're putting together a crack unit of Navy SEALS for the job right now.

i don't think the Seals are taking him seriously!

 

[M Testa]

This will be amusing for his whole stretch and beyond. Something to cheer the country, bringing libs and socialists, anarchists alike all together in laughter and gloating at the deserved predicament of this shit stirring cunt.

bi-partisan schadenfreude?

 

[M Testa]

2005: Jailed for 12 months for assault
2010: Arrested for public order offence
2011: Convicted for football hooliganism
2011: Jailed for breaching bail conditions
2011: Convicted for assault
2011: Jailed for rooftop protest in Switzerland
2013 Jailed for using false passport
2014: Jailed for mortgage fraud
2014: Convicted for public order offences
2015: Recalled to prison
2017: Convicted for contempt of court
2018: Jailed for contempt of court

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Didn’t he do a photo-shoot on some Israeli tank? Maybe Mossad could disappear him out of the country in the boot of a diplomatic limousine.

 

[M Testa]

he did, there is a picture of him on a tank with a little gun and a serious beer gut. must be short of coke in Israel.

 

[TopCat]

You are right in that contempt can be both but wrong that in this case it's criminal. There's a useful thread on it here

If there is a bounty I will change my holiday plans.

 

[andysays]

Tommy Robinson encouraged 'vigilante action' in Facebook Live

Ex-English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson encouraged "vigilante action" against defendants when he filmed them in a Facebook Live, judges have said. Robinson was found in contempt of court last week over the broadcast, which he made in breach of a reporting ban, outside Leeds Crown Court in May 2018. Explaining the decision, judge Dame Victoria Sharp said the video could have "seriously impeded" justice over a sexual grooming gang's trial. His sentencing is expected on Thursday.

 

[belboid]

You are right in that contempt can be both but wrong that in this case it's criminal. There's a useful thread on it here

The Secret Barrister disagrees - The Tommy Robinson judgment – what does it all mean?

Bail was lifted when his conviction was referred up.

 

[Proper Tidy]

The Secret Barrister disagrees - The Tommy Robinson judgment – what does it all mean?

Bail was lifted when his conviction was referred up.

That's from 2018, I googled before and found same stuff before clocking the date

 

[belboid]

That's from 2018, I googled before and found same stuff before clocking the date

Has the law changed? If it was true then, I don't see why it would be different.

 

[donkyboy]

How the fuck is this guy allowed to travel abroad with so many convictions? I thought his travels would be affected by his criminal activities?

 

[8ball]

How the fuck is this guy allowed to travel abroad with so many convictions? I thought his travels would be affected by his criminal activities?

Mostly either old and expired for violence, plus white-collar and civil, maybe?

 

[M Testa]

Mostly either old and expired for violence, plus white-collar and civil, maybe?

maybe not.
2005: Jailed for 12 months for assault
2010: Arrested for public order offence
2011: Convicted for football hooliganism
2011: Jailed for breaching bail conditions
2011: Convicted for assault
2011: Jailed for rooftop protest in Switzerland
2013 Jailed for using false passport
2014: Jailed for mortgage fraud
2014: Convicted for public order offences
2015: Recalled to prison
2017: Convicted for contempt of court
2018: Jailed for contempt of court

 

[Magnus McGinty]

What was the Swiss business pertaining to? One of their alpine Mosques?

 

[DaveCinzano]

What was the Swiss business pertaining to? One of their alpine Mosques?

EDL members fined over rooftop protest

 

[Orang Utan]

What was the Swiss business regarding to? One of their alpine Mosques?

He went Emmental cos FIFA wouldn't allow poppies on England players' shirts

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Cheers.

 

[Raheem]

How the fuck is this guy allowed to travel abroad with so many convictions? I thought his travels would be affected by his criminal activities?

I don't reckon it's likely that there are no travel conditions on him. But even otherwise, there are probably no countries he would be interested in going to that wouldn't be guaranteed to send him back, with the exception of the US, where he won't be allowed in.

 

[tonysingh]

Isn't it the case that passports don't tell immigration at the country of entry the nature or number of offences rather that the holder has a record? Obviously if there's a hold or order on that person, then that's different.

 

[Raheem]

He previously tried to get into the US on a false passport, so that is going to pop up on someone's screen if he tries to get in using his own.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

He previously tried to get into the US on a false passport, so that is going to pop up on someone's screen if he tries to get in using his own.

Wasnt it under the name Paul Harris or something?
I expect his other name manoeuvres aren't going to inspire confidence.

 

[Kaka Tim]

just watched his desperate, heartfelt plea for Donald Trump and Alex Jones to save his arse.

Its .... just wow. Hilarious. Hes having a proper meltdown.

Somebody needs to do a "muslamic ray guns" stylee remix of it.

 

[A380]

Got to be careful as the master race is going to kick off.

 

[Yossarian]

Got to be careful as the master race is going to kick off.

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Looks like he knows a lot about the Roundheads...

 

[Kaka Tim]

Got to be careful as the master race is going to kick off.

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2 dozen pissed up fat fucks chanting "hey tommy tommy" whilst being corralled by bored cops in a carpark in stoke = The Battle of Naseby.