Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

[Treacle Toes]

Don't want to be pedantic, but are these "Asian" (?) men only charged with grooming?

Which ones?

 

[bemused]

He had a barrister , it's a Crown Court Case .

I'm just quoting the line. If you start streaming partipants in a trial with reporting restrictions, after you've been in front of a judge telling you to stop doing it you get what you deserve.

 

[existentialist]

Don't want to be pedantic, but are these "Asian" (?) men only charged with grooming?

No. Some get charged with rape. I imagine it depends on the evidence - rape can be notoriously hard to get a conviction on, grooming presumably less so.

 

[phillm]

That takes me back. Thinking about it would one of the far right do this now for a publicity stunt ?

Must have been 1979 or thereabouts he offered only to sell his house to a white man I seem to remember and went to prison. The only reason I remember it is there is a Relf Road in Peckham and I think of the phrase every time I go down there.

Robert Relf - Wikipedia

 

[rhod]

 

[Pickman's model]

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the penguin better dressed and with better politics than syl

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

The line now is that he only pleaded guilty because his legal aid solicitor stitched him up.

I'm not sure how he could have pleaded any other way, he was live streaming himself doing it.
Pretty open and shut.

 

[Poi E]

He'll be well looked after inside, have no fear.

 

[crossthebreeze]

Wish it was just EDL types, been arguing in facebook groups with people who really should know better. People have been coming out with the "free speech even for people we vehemently disagree with" line not getting that its about stopping him fucking up a court case (and the consequences to victims if he did that), a load of horseshit about the media restrictions being part of a establishment coverup to "protect powerful nonces" (based on lies that are being circulated about who's up in court), and lots of other rubbish.

 

[Pickman's model]

He'll be well looked after inside, have no fear.

ho ho

 

[Treacle Toes]

No. Some get charged with rape. I imagine it depends on the evidence - rape can be notoriously hard to get a conviction on, grooming presumably less so.

A simple google reveals which people are attending Leeds Crown Court and what stage the proceedings are at. This is easily cross referenced with articles in the press that detail what the defendants are charged with. Mr I-don't-want-to-be-a-pedant was being just that.

 

[hot air baboon]

I see that petition is now over half-a-million strong - that's bigger than Woodstock maaan...( give or take a few bots & sock accounts no doubt

Looking at the comments he certainly seems to be acting as a figurehead for a lot of generalised residual anger over the long years of official neglect & blind-eye-turning over the "grooming" stuff which is now melding into the feeling that the police are far more eager to swoop down & arrest you for "thought-crime" & making a derogatory tweet than raping kids - which in itself is being stoked from the right-o-sphere after having alot of their channels shut down recently by the internet platforms themselves

 

[Cloo]

Someone on Twitter was wondering whether some of this swell of apparent online support is coming from Russia. What fun and games!

 

[rhod]

I know that this whole episode has been manna from heaven for the RW rent-a-gobs on Youtube.

I'm sure Yaxley will make a mint when he gets out from TV appearances, book tours (you know the books are coming), "Official #FreeTommy" merchandise etc. There are so many willing dupes out there.

 

[elbows]

The BBC Home Affairs correspondent couldnt resist....

This is not some new form of censorship directed at Robinson. These are rules that apply to us all, equally. If he is unsure about that, he's now got time on his hands to read a copy of Essential Law for Journalists.

Ex-EDL chief Robinson jailed for contempt

 

[SpookyFrank]

Wish it was just EDL types, been arguing in facebook groups with people who really should know better. People have been coming out with the "free speech even for people we vehemently disagree with" line not getting that its about stopping him fucking up a court case (and the consequences to victims if he did that), a load of horseshit about the media restrictions being part of a establishment coverup to "protect powerful nonces" (based on lies that are being circulated about who's up in court), and lots of other rubbish.

I've even seen darling of the left Lisa Mackenzie saying Robinson and friends have a point about grooming gangs and that the London liberal elite don't understand (white) working class anger about them.

Apparently if you're not actively trying to burn down mosques then you don't care about protecting children.

 

[8ball]

I've even seen darling of the left Lisa Mackenzie saying Robinson and friends have a point about grooming gangs and that the London liberal elite don't understand (white) working class anger about them.

Apparently if you're not actively trying to burn down mosques then you don't care about protecting children.

Nice non sequitur.

 

[gosub]

I've even seen darling of the left Lisa Mackenzie saying Robinson and friends have a point about grooming gangs and that the London liberal elite don't understand (white) working class anger about them.

Apparently if you're not actively trying to burn down mosques then you don't care about protecting children.

there clearly was an aspect of that prior to the Bradford arrests...but its misplaced now (I think)...
I'm quite glad we stepped back from the celebrity witchhunt methodology of the last few years off the back of Yewtree and Saville , as I'd rather have safe convictions and discretion for the victims than where we were headed with trial by media (Mr Yaxley clearly has different opinion.)
What I think has fallen through the cracks is serious investigation of these empowered over vulnerable kids that facilitated these things...maybe the internet has competely changed the modus operandi of these sick fucks and maybe we are in a golden age where nobody since Cyril Smith has been drawn to power for the turn of power over people it gives them...But I doubt it. I'd like a wider net than washed up celebrities and Asian immigrants...

 

[bemused]

I've even seen darling of the left Lisa Mackenzie saying Robinson and friends have a point about grooming gangs and that the London liberal elite don't understand (white) working class anger about them.

Numerous MPs like Lucy Allen bring this up on a regular basis, the police now have special units to look into this, there was an award winning BBC dramatisation of three Rochdale victims experiences, news organisations report that disproportionate number of Pakistani men involved in these crimes, etc. I'm sure if these people are convicted all news outlets will cover it.

Robinson's arrest that nothing to do with the crime he was reporting or the race of the accused - it was that his actions could put the result of that case at risk. For someone who cliams to champion the victims of these crimes it seem perverse to risk their justice by undermining the trial for facebook likes.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've even seen darling of the left Lisa Mackenzie saying Robinson and friends have a point about grooming gangs and that the London liberal elite don't understand (white) working class anger about them.

Apparently if you're not actively trying to burn down mosques then you don't care about protecting children.

have you? where?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

 

[Mrdw77]

It’s funny. I last posted on this site about 15 to 20 years ago (can’t remember my old login). I would have been described as being on the liberal left then, I haven’t changed that much since then but I guess now I’d be called right wing. I think the politically correct left have become the new religious right. The left have become anti free speech and seek to control others. They don’t agree to disagree anymore. No longer will they say “I don’t agree with what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it”. Now they want people jailed for words that they say and use Orwellian double speak claiming that prison as a consequence of speech is still free speech. They now sneer at, and seem to despise, the working classes ever since they (rightly in my opinion) voted for Brexit. And they’re largely status quo establishment, at least on social issues anyway. They are no longer anti religion either like they used to be as I remember. It was Tommy’s arrest that caused me to come back and look at the site I once loved, long ago as a student activist. Disappointed doesn’t come close.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

It’s funny. I last posted on this site about 15 to 20 years ago (can’t remember my old login). I would have been described as being on the liberal left then, I haven’t changed that much since then but I guess now I’d be called right wing. I think the politically correct left have become the new religious right. The left have become anti free speech and seek to control others. They don’t agree to disagree anymore. No longer will they say “I don’t agree with what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it”. Now they want people jailed for words that they say and use Orwellian double speak claiming that prison as a consequence of speech is still free speech. They now sneer at, and seem to despise, the working classes ever since they (rightly in my opinion) voted for Brexit. And they’re largely status quo establishment, at least on social issues anyway. They are no longer anti religion either like they used to be as I remember. It was Tommy’s arrest that caused me to come back and look at the site I once loved, long ago as a student activist. Disappointed doesn’t come close.

Hi again. You still in the forces?

 

[butchersapron]

It’s funny. I last posted on this site about 15 to 20 years ago (can’t remember my old login). I would have been described as being on the liberal left then, I haven’t changed that much since then but I guess now I’d be called right wing. I think the politically correct left have become the new religious right. The left have become anti free speech and seek to control others. They don’t agree to disagree anymore. No longer will they say “I don’t agree with what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it”. Now they want people jailed for words that they say and use Orwellian double speak claiming that prison as a consequence of speech is still free speech. They now sneer at, and seem to despise, the working classes ever since they (rightly in my opinion) voted for Brexit. And they’re largely status quo establishment, at least on social issues anyway. They are no longer anti religion either like they used to be as I remember. It was Tommy’s arrest that caused me to come back and look at the site I once loved, long ago as a student activist. Disappointed doesn’t come close.

It was :
sonicdancer
sortedforpillz

 

[Jon-of-arc]

It’s funny. I last posted on this site about 15 to 20 years ago (can’t remember my old login). I would have been described as being on the liberal left then, I haven’t changed that much since then but I guess now I’d be called right wing. I think the politically correct left have become the new religious right. The left have become anti free speech and seek to control others. They don’t agree to disagree anymore. No longer will they say “I don’t agree with what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it”. Now they want people jailed for words that they say and use Orwellian double speak claiming that prison as a consequence of speech is still free speech. They now sneer at, and seem to despise, the working classes ever since they (rightly in my opinion) voted for Brexit. And they’re largely status quo establishment, at least on social issues anyway. They are no longer anti religion either like they used to be as I remember. It was Tommy’s arrest that caused me to come back and look at the site I once loved, long ago as a student activist. Disappointed doesn’t come close.

I won't respond to any of your points, as you didn't make any.

But, what do you think of TR/SYL putting grooming/nonce court cases at risk of being thrown out and letting (alleged) pedos go free?

 

[Cloo]

A thing a lot of the people on the Right (especially the US ones) deliberately fail to grasp, I think, is that no 'liberal' thinks what happened with the avoidance of dealing with the grooming in Rochdale was OK. I follow, painful as it is, various RW types on Twitter, and it's common to see memes the portray 'liberals' as condoning misogyny, violence etc if it's conducted by people supposedly in the name of their culture or religion and being 'Oh, I'm so sorry, I respect your right to do that', so I suspect a lot of them think that liberals want Rochdale covered up and condoned it not being dealt with.

 

[JimW]

Is this speedy banning a comedy comment on the "free speech" whining?

 

[tim]

He'll be well looked after inside, have no fear.

He needs to be shamed into taking full advantage of his predicament: hunger strike, dirty protest, standing in the East Lewisham by-election: a tenth-rate Bobby Sands taking on a tenth-rate Thatcher. An absurd political Soapless opera to amuse us over the Summer

 

[krtek a houby]

It’s funny. I last posted on this site about 15 to 20 years ago (can’t remember my old login). I would have been described as being on the liberal left then, I haven’t changed that much since then but I guess now I’d be called right wing. I think the politically correct left have become the new religious right. The left have become anti free speech and seek to control others. They don’t agree to disagree anymore. No longer will they say “I don’t agree with what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it”. Now they want people jailed for words that they say and use Orwellian double speak claiming that prison as a consequence of speech is still free speech. They now sneer at, and seem to despise, the working classes ever since they (rightly in my opinion) voted for Brexit. And they’re largely status quo establishment, at least on social issues anyway. They are no longer anti religion either like they used to be as I remember. It was Tommy’s arrest that caused me to come back and look at the site I once loved, long ago as a student activist. Disappointed doesn’t come close.

When urbanites go bad

 

[ska invita]

Missed opportunity to do the Tommy Robinson Stephen Yaxley-Lennon bit.
"Tommy" what a cunt