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As for anti-English racism, dessiato - there is anti-English racism, there’s no point saying otherwise. And I’m not English, but my partner is and my two kids are half English (and identifiably because they’ve picked up some of her accent). My partner has lived in Scotland since 1994, and does not feel anti English racism has been a significant part of her experience here. Obviously any is too much, but I really don’t think you’re going to find much of it in Gullane or Haddington.

(I received hate mail from “Settler Watch” back in the early 90s for my troubles. But it was a tiny group run by a German woman).
 
weepiper said:
Likewise. My dad is English and has lived in Scotland since the late 60s. Yes there's arseholes, but there's arseholes in England about Scottish people too.
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Yes, I’ve experienced anti Scottish racism visiting Staffordshire, where my partner was born and grew up. But it hasn’t put me off the area or the people, both of which I love.
 
danny la rouge said:
It’s true that the East is colder than the West, but it’s also drier.

I don’t particularly remember 2001, and I didn’t spend it in Edinburgh, but I wore shorts for 4 months this year. It was warm.
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Because I have covid and am bored I looked up the nearest weather station with historical data, you can see them here: Historic station data

Data from Leuchars shows that 2001 was in fact no worse than any other year: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/pub/data/weather/uk/climate/stationdata/leucharsdata.txt

BUT THAT IS TERRIBLE. THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING. It merely proves I was right to flee when I did.
 
Brainaddict said:
Because I have covid and am bored I looked up the nearest weather station with historical data, you can see them here: Historic station data

Data from Leuchars shows that 2001 was in fact no worse than any other year: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/pub/data/weather/uk/climate/stationdata/leucharsdata.txt

BUT THAT IS TERRIBLE. THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING. It merely proves I was right to flee when I did.
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You lived in Leuchars? No wonder you ran away. It’s a shithole.
 
danny la rouge said:
As for anti-English racism, dessiato - there is anti-English racism, there’s no point saying otherwise. And I’m not English, but my partner is and my two kids are half English (and identifiably because they’ve picked up some of her accent). My partner has lived in Scotland since 1994, and does not feel anti English racism has been a significant part of her experience here. Obviously any is too much, but I really don’t think you’re going to find much of it in Gullane or Haddington.

(I received hate mail from “Settler Watch” back in the early 90s for my troubles. But it was a tiny group run by a German woman).
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It's an undertow but its managable. Aways enjoyed the Six nations. coz with my accent ALWAYS get taken for English, and even close mates forget lifelong Wales fan with some ties, feels like a judo throw when I join in taking the piss out of the English. That said, Scottish Irish affinity is far stronger than down here (currently down South).and I tell you going back up is light at the end of the tunnel for me.
 
weepiper said:
Sorry you feel like this dess. I grew up in East Lothian. It might not be Spain but it has a lot to recommend it if you like the outdoors, walking/cycling/watersport, history/castles, that kind of stuff. Try not to write it off as a hideous arse end of frozen nowhere because it's not.
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That's the problem, we don't enjoy any of those things.
 
dessiato said:
That's the problem, we don't enjoy any of those things.
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I've never lived in Scotland, but have found it to be a superb place on my many visits.

You can live anywhere if you get involved, and you seem like the kind of bloke who can do that. I've lived in America (NYC, 2yrs), Spain (Barcelona, 2 yrs), and pissed about in Paris, Malta, Frankfurt :facepalm: , Milan, Lisbon, Dublin, and Geneva, for a few months apiece. I've worked (done business) in all of the ME, most of the 'stans, India, and China; none of which I would consider living in, but would get used to if forced.

I have to say mate, that whenever I see a post of yours I pretty much know that you'll be referencing your life in Spain/Portugal. It's like when likesfish posts you know it's about guns or the army!

Scotland is not Saudi Arabia, North Korea, or Murmansk. They've even got better bits than Bracknell.

It seems like you have little choice in this matter, so get your head out of yer arse and get ready to embrace some fabulous people, better scenery than anything you've seen in Iberia, and pukka winters.

Hook-up with pogofish and danny la rouge and you won't go far wrong ;)
 
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Spymaster said:
You can live anywhere if you get involved, and you seem like the kind of bloke who can do that. I've lived in America (NYC, 2yrs), Spain (Barcelona, 2 yrs), and pissed about in Paris, Malta, Frankfurt :facepalm: , Milan, Lisbon, Dublin, and Geneva, for a few months apiece. I've worked (done business) in all of the ME, most of the 'stans,
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And a couple of the laurels if your pms are to be believed
 
I'd say dessiato, that if you're going to have to move to Lothian, you may as well try and enjoy it otherwise you're going to be miserable as sin for a few years, and deliberately setting yourself up to be miserable as sin sounds like a pretty dumb idea.

Think of it as a holiday layover - not where you wanted to be, but exploring Tashkent, or Rio, or LA, or Stockholm, or St Petersburg, or Darwin is going, however uninterested you might be in going there, to be a great deal more interesting than sitting in an airport lounge for several days waiting for the aircraft's engine to be changed.

If you're going to sit in a flat in Morningside whining about the weather and counting down the days, then those days are going to go reeeaaalllyyyy slowly - but if you're out everyday, exploring the Wynds, sitting in a cafe in North Berwick watching the sea, strolling over the Lammermuirs, walking the town walls of Berwick-upon-Tweed, it'll go much quicker.

Its also, and this is something you need to think hard about before wallowing in self-pity, worth noting that you've already had your plans radically changed by forces outside your control. If it's happened once it can happen again.

If you play the moping victim, and are determined to hate it, and then for whatever reason it transpires that you won't be going back to Spain, or France, or Italy, but will have to stay in Lothian, you will have shit on your own doorstep, quite probably for the rest of your life.

Is that what you want, to deliberately and knowingly make yourself miserable for the rest of your days?

I assume not, so pick yourself up, make a new plan, and crack on with it.
 
You are all right, of course. I do need to change my attitude. But it’s very difficult when all your plans for retirement and, ultimately, death, are taken from you. I planned that one day I’d be sitting in the sun, reading the paper, watching life go by, sipping coffee and something stronger. Then a friend would notice I’d gone. But I’d died happy, somewhere I loved.
 
dessiato said:
You are all right, of course. I do need to change my attitude. But it’s very difficult when all your plans for retirement and, ultimately, death, are taken from you. I planned that one day I’d be sitting in the sun, reading the paper, watching life go by, sipping coffee and something stronger. Then a friend would notice I’d gone. But I’d died happy, somewhere I loved.
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Who says that all have your plans are forever changed? So you move to East Lothian for a few years but you can always move to Spain or France or even somewhere else at a later date.

Nothing has been taken from you, it have been delayed, that's all.
 
danny la rouge said:
As for anti-English racism, dessiato - there is anti-English racism, there’s no point saying otherwise.
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That's interesting. When I was school age, there was certainly anti-English racism and at least one kid getting picked on at school due to being English, but I'm not aware of anything like that now, just a dislike of the English Tory govt (which is balanced by a hatred of the SNP in some quarters).
 
dessiato said:
You are all right, of course. I do need to change my attitude. But it’s very difficult when all your plans for retirement and, ultimately, death, are taken from you. I planned that one day I’d be sitting in the sun, reading the paper, watching life go by, sipping coffee and something stronger. Then a friend would notice I’d gone. But I’d died happy, somewhere I loved.
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No mate, you'll go at 101 poking a giant ant like alien in the eye with a stick from the fire whilst your lover is organising the escape of all the orphans and kittens that you are preventing the ant-aliens getting to. In Slow motion. With Bach as the soundtrack.
 
dessiato said:
You are all right, of course. I do need to change my attitude. But it’s very difficult when all your plans for retirement and, ultimately, death, are taken from you. I planned that one day I’d be sitting in the sun, reading the paper, watching life go by, sipping coffee and something stronger. Then a friend would notice I’d gone. But I’d died happy, somewhere I loved.
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I can confirm, they do have sunshine in Leith
 
Spymaster said:
I've never lived in Scotland, but have found it to be a superb place on my many visits.

You can live anywhere if you get involved, and you seem like the kind of bloke who can do that. I've lived in America (NYC, 2yrs), Spain (Barcelona, 2 yrs), and pissed about in Paris, Malta, Frankfurt :facepalm: , Milan, Lisbon, Dublin, and Geneva, for a few months apiece. I've worked (done business) in all of the ME, most of the 'stans, India, and China; none of which I would consider living in, but would get used to if forced.

I have to say mate, that whenever I see a post of yours I pretty much know that you'll be referencing your life in Spain/Portugal. It's like when likesfish posts you know it's about guns or the army!

Scotland is not Saudi Arabia, North Korea, or Murmansk. They've even got better bits than Bracknell.

It seems like you have little choice in this matter, so get your head out of yer arse and get ready to embrace some fabulous people, better scenery than anything you've seen in Iberia, and pukka winters.

Hook-up with pogofish and danny la rouge and you won't go far wrong ;)
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This thread has made me want to make a visit to Scotland - it's been years since I was there.
 
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