The Wire comes to BBC2 (Spoiler free, please)

[isitme]

If you stick with it, the Mc Nulty at the end of season 3, and season 4, and season 5, are three very different men.

I've watched all 5 series. I don't find him believable in any of them

I think that whole 'good cop up against it' plot line is best represented by herc and carver's trajectories. mcnulty is just john mcclaine

 

[Melinda]

but that's what I mean

like, what you just described could be John Mcclaine or Harry Callaghan 'goddamn this paperwork, I'm a cop not a goddamn secretary' 'he doesn't play by the rules, but he always gets results' etc

All of the other characters are believable, but McNulty is pure cop show. Including Daniels grudging respect for him.

I see what you're getting at, but McLane et al are all 'super human', reliant on uncanny sixth senses and hunches, (not to mention violence/ threats of violence). They get smashed and bloodied but get up to carry on.

Superficially McNulty shares a similar shitty attitude to authority but its born out of a different place. He has a fundamental contempt for the system within which he works. He is shambling and self destructive, stumbling through life leaving chaos and disorder in his wake which people behind him have to clear up, both at home and at work. He has to face the consequences too.

Occasionally he shows flair, but you wouldn't argue that he was a better cop than Greggs, Bunk or Freamon.

 

[isitme]

I see what you're getting at, but McLane et al are all 'super human', reliant on uncanny sixth senses and hunches, (not to mention violence/ threats of violence). They get smashed and bloodied but get up to carry on.

Superficially McNulty shares a similar shitty attitude to authority but its born out of a different place. He has a fundamental contempt for the system within which he works. He is shambling and self destructive, stumbling through life leaving chaos and disorder in his wake which people behind him have to clear up, both at home and at work. He has to face the consequences too.

Occasionally he shows flair, but you wouldn't argue that he was a better cop than Greggs, Bunk or Freamon.

have you watched Homicide? that was better cos there wasn't any McNulty style American Hero. they were all heroes but they were all part of the system.

 

[London_Calling]

Definitive anti-hero for me; loathes the system and is indifferent to authority, cares about the job.

 

[isitme]

he's a real maverick renegade

 

[London_Calling]

hmm, i think you are missing something still. but i am glad not to be so totally obsessed as to recall every bleeding detail like that

So feel free not to tell the rest of us we're wrong, when we're not. You lucky person in your enriched, fulfilled life

 

[Jon-of-arc]

I like mcnultys patheticness - he thinks he's smarter than every other fucker (and he has his moments), but really he's just someone else who has his talents either exploited or ignored. Deep down, he knows this to be the case, and the frustration it brings him, more than any "renegade maverick" tendencies, seem to be his true motivation. IMO.

 

[isitme]

I like mcnultys patheticness - he thinks he's smarter than every other fucker (and he has his moments), but really he's just someone else who has his talents either exploited or ignored. Deep down, he knows this to be the case, and the frustration it brings him, more than any "renegade maverick" tendencies, seem to be his true motivation. IMO.

well that would be the case, except he's the only character who gets whole shows dedicated to him and his kids etc

 

[London_Calling]

he's a real maverick renegade

His whole purpose, from David Simon's pov (imo), is to subvert the tradition of the American Hero, whether it's John Wayne, Callaghan or McLaine.

An example; guns - McNulty doesn't use one let alone use it in the primitive way American heros do; when he wants to wave his cock about, he just waves his cock about. He doesn't do violence or posturing or symbolism. I suppose you might argue he's anti-Hollywood, maybe.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

well that would be the case, except he's the only character who gets whole shows dedicated to him and his kids etc

Greggs aside...

 

[isitme]

GHEY

 

[subversplat]

Regarding McNulty, I don't think that he's a proper anti-hero, he's still the guy the viewer is rooting for in the end. A deeply flawed coventional hero perhaps, but he doesn't really generate any real antipathy from the watcher.

Agree with the ex-Voice of Reason on this one.

 

[gosub]

Regarding McNulty, I don't think that he's a proper anti-hero, he's still the guy the viewer is rooting for in the end. A deeply flawed coventional hero perhaps, but he doesn't really generate any real antipathy from the watcher.

Agree with the ex-Voice of Reason on this one.

You wait til season 5, his behaviour is so un McNultyish as to be annoying

 

[Belushi]

have you watched Homicide? that was better cos there wasn't any McNulty style American Hero.

And they had Frank Pembelton

 

[subversplat]

You wait til season 5, his behaviour is so un McNultyish as to be annoying

I've seen the lot

 

[El Sueno]

Can't wait for tonight and the fallout from D's execution.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Can't wait for tonight and the fallout from D's execution.

That fallout is going to last for a long long time, it'll be waiting under the surface like a turd in the arctic, just waiting for some poor shmuck to step in it. Slow burner.

 

[London_Calling]

The guy leading D'Angelo's prison book club was Richard Price, a writer himself and a mate of Simons' he did a lot of the writing for S5 - just keeping you hoppers on your toes.

 

[Gromit]

No Wire for me tonight

Gotta be out of the house at 7am tomorrow so early night for me.

I'll have to wait tip tomorrow evening to see what happens. Bloody torture.

 

[Dan U]

And they had Frank Pembelton

 

[D'wards]

PVR cut the end off again - AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Who can i complain to about that? I'm not normally the complaining type, but it always happens with the Wire - if a few of us complain something may happen eh?

Theres a lot of Wire to get through still

 

[kyser_soze]

So where you all at, homes? Still down at the docks?

 

[belboid]

The guy leading D'Angelo's prison book club was Richard Price, a writer himself and a mate of Simons' he did a lot of the writing for S5 - just keeping you hoppers on your toes.

who wrote the superb Clockers, which Spike Lee just about managed not to ruin!

 

[Crispy]

The episode ends with Daniels bargaining with Rawls - in return for taking on the murder cases, Rawls has to give him what he needs. Marla's not happy with it, she thought he was getting out of the unit to get back on the ladder. Mcnulty has a little chat with his wife while the kids play in a tent. She acknowledges that he's changed for the better but she still can't trust him. Credits.

 

[El Sueno]

PVR cut the end off again - AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Who can i complain to about that? I'm not normally the complaining type, but it always happens with the Wire - if a few of us complain something may happen eh?

Theres a lot of Wire to get through still

Don't panic, you didn't miss any tits.

 

[Sadken]

Started series 3 yet?

 

[Crispy]

BBC's still on S2. 5 more episodes to go

 

[London_Calling]

I'm just a humble motherfucker with a big-ass dick
You give yourself too much credit
Okay then. I ain't that humble

- first time we see Bunk at a bar without McNulty.

 

[BlackArab]

who wrote the superb Clockers, which Spike Lee just about managed not to ruin!

and The Wanderers!

 

[D'wards]

The episode ends with Daniels bargaining with Rawls - in return for taking on the murder cases, Rawls has to give him what he needs. Marla's not happy with it, she thought he was getting out of the unit to get back on the ladder. Mcnulty has a little chat with his wife while the kids play in a tent. She acknowledges that he's changed for the better but she still can't trust him. Credits.

Good man.

The Wanderers is excellent - well worth a read by, anyone really.